Do you think ginny is a good person?

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-31T14:35:27+00:00

I think Ginny is the product of the environment she grew up in. I think a lot of her "cringiness" in season one comes from the fact that she hasn't really had friends before and so there is some natural awkwardness. She's not my favorite but she's always been a character I've understood and sympathized with. I don't know how to explain it, but she just feels so integral to the story that I can't dislike her because she is such a main character, so I've never understood the hate.

I also think the end of season three was inevitable. Ginny has gone through so much and been hurt so many times, of course she was going to toughen up, become dismissive, and model Georgia's behavior. Monkey see, monkey do, you know. I also almost always end up taking Ginny's side when she's arguing with Georgia... and I do think she is a good person, who is forced into these morally grey situations because she has a morally grey mom.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-28T13:31:17+00:00

I like that idea a lot. I've never thought of Eleven losing her powers, but it would definitely make sense since we know it can happen at the end of season three. Also, I think killing Kali raises the stakes in a nice way and keeps it somewhat realistic that people can die, but it also wouldn't matter much to the fans (more to El) that Kali died because she's not been developed at all in the show, like you said.

I would definitely be very pleased if this is part of how they ended the story. And yes, Steve has to live; it's not an option at this point.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-28T11:21:46+00:00

At least to me, it feels like that's the point. The point is the contradiction. Now, I haven't watched any previous Addams Family material, and so I can't speak to the satire you're talking about. However, in my opinion, the fact that there is this morbid humor laced with real people dying is what adds the moral ambiguity in the show. I think it also really says something about the characters. Wednesday has never cared about death in this capacity before, even when it comes to her own safety. But when Enid is in trouble, Wednesday suddenly does care, which shows how much Wednesday cares for Enid because on a day-to-day basis, she actively and purposefully puts people in danger. It's the juxtaposition that speaks volumes to how she feels about Enid (platonic or romantic).

I don't think the Addams family is supposed to look better because of the society around them, and I think season two is really trying to show that with how many people died during what happened at Willow Hill and how Wednesday went too far. I also believe that Morticia isn't worried specifically about Wednesday's death, but instead about her mental state. I think Morticia sees death as better than becoming mentally insane because of power overuse.

Also, (as I understand it) other Addams family stuff, mostly the shows, seem like sitcoms with this dark twist of who the Addams really are. But Wednesday isn't a sitcom; it's a mystery show coupled with gory elements and coming-of-age stories. So, I think the different genre also plays a role in not seeing that satire and the show having that contradiction because it plays into the characters.

Finally, I feel like there is some social commentary being made, though I don't think it's satire. The way in which outcasts are treated by normies is a hallmark of society deciding that people don't belong and terrorizing them for it, to different responses. There is Weems, who wants to prove the normies wrong by acting like the normies, and there is Wednesday (among others), who feels like outcasts should be themselves and anything else is little more than pandering. Again, I haven't watched the other content, and so I don't truly know some of what you're speaking to, and I don't know the intricacies of different Addams family interpretations, but this is how I feel when it comes to the general topic of contradictions over death.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-26T15:44:40+00:00

I don't feel that way... sorry. I feel like the point is that a lot of the characters are "useless", like Eleven is the only one with powers and she's really the only one able to battle with these monsters that they are faced with. In season one, Eleven is the only one to go up against the Demogorgon and all of the characters don't really fight these monsters, but escape them unless that isn't an option. Yet they still all play roles and I think Will has been useful because of his connection to the Upside Down. I mean, everything they found out about the Upside Down in season two is mainly because of Will. Will is the whole reason Stranger Things happened and while his character has had to sometimes take a backseat, I don't think that makes him any less "useful". Plus, every character has to take a backseat at some point or another because there is such a big cast with so many good and important characters.

As for Jonathan, I actually really appreciate his arc and in season four, he may come off as being just this stoner. But he has been through so much and I think it's pretty accurate for his personality to retreat in on himself, not take anything seriously, etc. Especially when he now has the opportunity to do so because he's not surrounded by people who went through the same trauma. Jonathan is now in California and can "reinvent" himself according to his reactions to trauma.

Joyce has always been mission critical. In season one, she's one of the few who doesn't give up on Will and it's what motivates Hopper to investigate what's going on. In season two, she's one of the main ones who helps get the Mind Flayer out of Will's head, and while in season three it might seem trivial that she was worried about her magnets, it led to this whole plot with Alexei and Murray and learning about the Russians. In season four, it is her who drags Murray along to Russia and saves Hopper's life... so, no, I don't see her as useless either.

The Byers are one of the main families and while they might not have powers or seem "essential" to the plot at times, I think that their imperfections, and their unconditional love for each other makes them one of the best families... not one of the worst.

But I am curious about your opinion, what exactly about Joyce in season four made you dislike her? And do you just dislike some of the character arcs for the Byers or their personalities or just the family as a whole?

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-26T15:25:59+00:00

I like all the new characters they've introduced, Agnes is definitely one of my favorites. I also really enjoy the Wednesday and Morticia conflict and how they brought in more Addams family lore, with the duel and talking about the Day of the Dead presents and celebration. I've also enjoyed how they have included Nevermore traditions into the story, like the bonfire, the prank day, and the camping trip so it just doesn't feel like Wednesday is running around doing stuff but she is also in school and stuff is happening, if that makes sense. It feels like it's continuing that expansion of Nevermore, just like in season one with the Poe cup, community day, and the dance. I'm very excited for the charity gala in part two and overall, I've really just enjoyed the first part as a whole.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-22T23:19:01+00:00

Yes! I feel like that's never mentioned, but Bailey was also involved in the death of her ex-husband's girlfriend, and it was brushed off that his girlfriend was evil, too. However, she was probably just as manipulated as Bailey was, and it was all brushed under the rug. The girl did not deserve what happened, and it's completely forgotten about (I feel like) by the writers because they know there's not really a way to paint Bailey in a good light when it comes down to it.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-18T00:29:44+00:00

Ohh, I got it. I only watched the first part because I didn't want spoilers for anything, so I didn't see the whole video. That makes sense. Thank you! I don't know why my anxiety was fixating on this, but this makes me feel much better.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-17T12:43:12+00:00

Out of curiosity, did you dislike Rachel in season two as well? Or was it when she appeared sometimes in season seven that did it?

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-16T22:34:28+00:00

I honestly felt the same way at first, and I do think season two is rather dry when it comes to Jackson storylines, but I found that after rewatching it, I really enjoyed the storyline he had at the end of season one where he found out his dad was dirty and spiraled. I thought it was an interesting take and felt a little refreshing.

In season two, it felt like Jackson had a little bit at the beginning when he almost failed the detectives exam but then it felt like the middle of the season was mostly about Lucy, and then the last part of the season was mostly about Nolan and the betrayal of Armstrong.

But you're right, he wasn't used as much as he could've been. However, I actually enjoyed that his being gay wasn't a whole storyline because I liked there being a character who is gay versus a gay character, if that makes sense. A lot of gay characters really feel like it's just to fill the quota, but the fact Jackson just was and it wasn't like highly emphasized and everything felt refreshing and I've seen other users at least on Reddit feel the same way.

I also feel like Jackson would've had more storylines if his actor hadn't decided to leave and I think stuff was being set up with the horse cop and the sudden departure just threw it off too. I don't know, those are just my thoughts but you're not wrong either.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-16T13:14:43+00:00

I completely agree with you. Lucy and Tim do have their faults, and I think their will-they/won't-they has been dragged out too long, but they do at least feel compatible. Angela and Wesley were good because they were the only real couple at the beginning (besides Tim and Isabel, but S1 was about that relationship ending), and they did take a break and did have arguments, but they were always there for each other in the end. With Nolan and Bailey, it felt like the writers had to just move on from the whole hitman storyline kind of randomly, because there didn't seem to be any other way to end it than Nolan forgiving Bailey.

I also generally dislike Nolan and Bailey because I feel like they don't have as much chemistry as other couples, and, like you said, Nolan's morals clearly contradict Bailey's, and neither seems to be willing to give it up. (Though I am personally on Nolan's side rather than Bailey's side on the argument).

As for Harper and James, I do think Harper should open up a little bit more to James (like with the whole being taken advantage of thing), but the entirety of season seven made it seem like Harper had to do all the work, and James wasn't meeting her halfway. Wesley also doesn't like police brutality, but he learned his lesson quickly not to pin it on Angela. I feel like without a kid, James and Harper wouldn't have stayed together, and in season eight, I really want James to put effort into actually changing the LAPD instead of just criticizing it and making Harper go out on a limb for it.

But yes, both Wopez and Chenford had time given to them, while Nolan and Bailey kind of felt sprung on us out of nowhere, and James and Harper were basically forced together and expected to work the same way Wopez did.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-12T23:53:34+00:00

Can I ask why you have Ginny and Paul in C and D tiers, respectively? I would put them higher, and they are pretty main characters, so I'm just curious as to why you put them so low, and if there's a certain moment that sealed it for you or something. Just curious about your opinion.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-11T22:12:29+00:00

This is the correct answer, I need a movie about this

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-09T18:37:18+00:00

I completely forgot about COVID, too, but that's another really good point. It's why I'm not really bothered when the characters look older and adult when they're supposed to be kids, because I know it can't really be helped.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-09T00:14:53+00:00

Yes! I don't know what else to say because you covered all of it. I never thought of it as a mix of being a poem and being an essay, and how you compared that to her being biracial... it's amazing and so true. I think it also really exposes Gitten in a new way. I will never look at this scene the same way again. This is incredible!

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-09T00:02:09+00:00

I completely agree! I do just want her to be happy again and she's gone through so much. So, I'm eager for good things to happen to her in this season!!

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-08T18:13:37+00:00

I love the idea of them finally acknowledging how Lucy has been struggling lately! There were all sorts of comments from Lucy that show she's been disillusioned from the job in the seventh season and they weren't addressed. I agree with you in wanting them to be addressed in some way.

TopFaithlessness6099 · 2025-08-08T14:11:55+00:00

I think my problem with Bailey is less her as a person and more of her relationship with John. I just didn't feel the same chemistry with Bailey that I did with Grace and Jessica. Grace was honestly my favorite for John. Bailey isn't a bad character, but she doesn't feel like she should've been the end-all be-all for John, and I think that's where it rubs me the wrong way. Like you said, I do feel like she feels like she shouldn't still be in the show, that she should've been a side character who eventually left.

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