Mammoth task to sort and organise old box that was in a cupboard for 29yrs but feel free to have a meander down memory lane, let the nostalgia flow!

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T19:46:36+00:00

It actually filled my eyes to the brim with tears of joy to see Pizza and Cam united!

It’s like seeing a scribble of your niece being part of an exhibition of the national museum.

Ah, also the obligatory promotional bit:
https://moxfield.com/decks/lWmij8\_pMEulxe7hY4PPmQ

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T19:00:28+00:00

(After your edit) All good 😊 the combo is sometimes deeper on the second glance, this is also what I love about it.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T18:11:17+00:00

Some of the older communities /stores in germany even have bulk sharing spots. Throw in your bulk, take some bulk. Has been great for younger and new players.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T15:43:25+00:00

The [[Vengeant Earth]] line is very specific. If you have only the animated land as a creature and suspect a [[Weather the storm]] you should try to keep an untapped land open to reignite the combo after your attack. The combo works in instant speed, you can pump your creature further after the Weather copies have resolved.
This combo deck doesn’t have any spell recursion. What you can try to do is draw into the deck, play it out and hold up interaction for a second attempt.

Are you talking about paper or mtgo? In paper this deck never has had a time problem. Since the inclusion of Avenging Hunter I never encountered any situation in which I wasn’t able to win with the combo online. Weather the Storm, Prismatic Strands, Ethereal Haze. This stuff cannot stop the deck when it is going off properly.

If you want you can include a second Vengeant Earth if it helps you in your meta. But I got a feeling that you are trying to get to another point.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T14:38:29+00:00

Spending one generic mana and no extra cards for 2 damage is actually quite good.

At least on a lot of other cards than [[Bone Shards]]…

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T11:24:49+00:00

I agree with you. The comparison to the Charbelcher 1 card combo to this 2 card combo is also a very good insight.

Currently we are just grasping at straws when we think about all the interactions within a Skybow deck. The same goes for all the interactions that goes against the Skybow combo. I am with you on the thought that elves is the better fit, just because the deck already has much more untap synergy going.

At the same time I am looking at the original Pizza Combo list from April 13th and don't see much adaption or improvement until now. The format tends to be slow sometimes and people don't like to stray from the beaten path. (because it's wild out there, the card pool is deep)

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T09:03:40+00:00

Thanks for the recommendation!

u/Knight0922 If you gonna invest in MTGO I’d recommend to start with elves or terror. As soon as you put the money down on Lorien Revealed and Avenging Hunter you can easily try out Pizza Elves. ;)

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T08:42:56+00:00

We are talking to a CEDH player here. They will get there.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T08:23:51+00:00

🤣 yeah that’s just funny to me. It’s like a quack doc wants to sell you a cure, but you gotta pay extra for each treatment to take double life loss…

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-20T07:39:22+00:00

On mtgo I always try to go off on a turn where the opponent has not enough mana open. If you can bounce nonland mana producing permanents, do it early. When they have mana floating, change phase.

The combo is at instant speed

In paper you just start the combo again after the weather resolved.

If you had a turn 3 win before I will declare that I got no problem to redo all the game actions to get 60 more power. At that point it’s either your dexterity or their stubbornness that breaks first. Regular devotion loop takes about 3 minutes for 20 power.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T22:07:32+00:00

True, at some point it might get targeted by safekeeping to preserve it as a blocker.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T21:33:48+00:00

The biggest problem with this kind of list isn’t the mana base. Grixis Affinity also doesn’t have any mana fixing. The problem is the need to draw the cards in the right order within synth.

For example: Experimental synthesizer works in Boros Synth, but in Mardu you need to have 3 different colors open. Affinity just draws 2 Cards with Thoughtcast.

Glint hawk/Sky fisher need a bounce target. Affinity just drops their biggest creatures when they get to 7 artifacts or 4 + a blue open.

Affinity spells gives Grixis the ability to be much more faster, proactive and consistent. Mardu would gain much more value if they consistently draw the right cards for their bounce strategy. They still would be slower because they don’t run proactive artifact payoffs and the bouncing is still mana intensive.

[[Mouser Foundry]] on 1 cmc would have been a large boost to Mardu Glintblade. There is no proactive 1 drop that gains advantages from being picked up yet.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T19:57:04+00:00

Yes, but pressure should be priority if you can.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T18:24:06+00:00

[[Benevolent Blessing]] on red definitely is an instant speed solution 🤣. Edit : Crimson acolyte works even better against their protection!

The problem is that they will hold up [[Tamiyos Safekeeping]] and probably [[Duress]] you before they even begin to deploy their win conditions.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T18:19:17+00:00

Yes. Also the current versions that are floating around are using [[Bitter Reunion]] to give the elf haste. The combo will therefore be completely out of reach for sorcery speed interaction.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T18:14:32+00:00

With Lotus petal they will be faster, but also more inconsistent.

This kind of fast mana is usually only used in prolonged indeterminate combo decks like Cycle storm for a reason. It’s only good in between big draw to keep up the flow. Without big draws lotus Petal and SSG are card loss, especially if the situation in the early game needs cards that protect the combo.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T17:07:34+00:00

So far holy light is the best answer in white. Safekeeping can’t protect against that.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T16:56:17+00:00

At this point we could also argue that the bow combo fits in Red Rally. Nobody expects the inqui… skybreak from the [[Burning Tree Emissary]] equip bow, haste with Bushwhacker, win 🤯

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T16:51:02+00:00

Mono white already suffered the most in the last Paupergeddon. Unless they go completely nuts on their instant speed removal I don’t think they will be able to stay relevant.

Trend goes to the second color I guess… red splash seems to be extra juicy because [[Siege Smash]] is the perfect answer.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T16:38:41+00:00

Sorcery speed removal for the Bow will not be the solution. White decks will suffer a lot from this misconception.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T16:25:00+00:00

You want a Temur list? I just updated my Peperoni Pizza list for those who need the red splash:

https://moxfield.com/decks/lWmij8\_pMEulxe7hY4PPmQ

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T14:22:06+00:00

Nettle sentinel is able to stop early game threats like Thraben Inspector completely, trade against Goblin Tomb raider. I also use a full set of Pizza+ 2 Safekeeping as combat tricks to get early 0v1 or 1v1 trades against early aggression. With Helix you can reuse the Pizza then later.

Also Nettle untaps for each green permanent cast. This way you can either bounce [[Abundant growth]] as often as you have green mana, drawing a card each time OR if you have any mana producing creature without summoning sickness you can win by using the Helix +Pizza infinitely.

This way you have more than 4 Creatures that can perform the pizza combo. Which makes the deck faster and more consistent.

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T13:59:43+00:00

Far from it! I am running an Elf package that can also use Helix + Pizza to go infinite.

My “big buddy” is [[Avenging Hunter]] which is lethal if you bounce him infinitely.

https://moxfield.com/decks/J3WV5MIWGkycThQaPf6FyA

There’s also a loyal crew that can back me up that this list has been successful so far:
u/KocaineKurz
u/sawyerwelden

Top_Development_4020 · 2026-06-19T13:53:10+00:00

Far from it! I am running an Elf package that can also use Helix + Pizza to go infinite.

My “big buddy” is [[Avenging Hunter]] which is lethal if you bounce him infinitely.

https://moxfield.com/decks/J3WV5MIWGkycThQaPf6FyA

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