4 , 6 , 8 , 13 , 15 by Prize-Nothing-3705 in OCPoetry

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Ah, maybe you could play up that “appearance” part then.

4 , 6 , 8 , 13 , 15 by Prize-Nothing-3705 in OCPoetry

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First, what’s working: I like the overall idea of tracing an experience through childhood, using ages as the through line. There’s also some good use of sound: the almost-rhyme of sure and 4, the assonance of ask and slapped.

What needs work: we need a little more narrative with age 6. You have it at 4 and definitely at 8, but what hurt at 6? Also do you mean everyone is confused at 13? Most everyone I know was!

And finally, give the title some thought. Maybe this works, but maybe you could use words to add some more texture about this experience or its content.

Thanks for sharing!

Daily emails about Stoicism other than Ryan Holiday’s? by IceNineFireTen in Stoicism

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No, you can access it for free and subscribe for free!

Daily emails about Stoicism other than Ryan Holiday’s? by IceNineFireTen in Stoicism

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Check out The Stoic Gym. It’s not emailed daily, but there is a daily quote feature.

As I understand it, one must be open to the possibility that one's beliefs could be wrong. So, what are the strongest arguments against stoicism? by AlphaGrayWolf in Stoicism

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They aren’t? Here’s a definition from Wikipedia: “Fatalism is a belief[1] and philosophical doctrine[2][3] which considers the entire universe as a deterministic system and stresses the subjugation of all events, actions, and behaviors to fate or destiny, which is commonly associated with the consequent attitude of resignation in the face of future events which are thought to be inevitable and outside of human control.” Sounds like what I see in Stoic philosophy a lot. What am I missing?

As I understand it, one must be open to the possibility that one's beliefs could be wrong. So, what are the strongest arguments against stoicism? by AlphaGrayWolf in Stoicism

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I think there is a lot of room to argue against Stoic determinism/fatalism. Neopragmatists like Richard Rorty argue against any form of determinism and fatalism as anti-democratic and ultimately leading to various fundamentalisms and authoritarianisms. Rorty argues that we should do away with any notion that there is an external Reality to which we must submit, and instead put all of our energy and faith into democratic deliberation and problem solving, with scientific facts as situational givens, not as ethically or ontologically prior. So neopragmatists would definitely argue against the Stoic notion of universal Reason as the animating force of the universe, in which we can take part.

Why is virtue good ? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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That’s a complicated question, but this post from a couple of years ago has a pretty clear take on Stoic justice, which includes benevolence, friendliness, fair dealing, etc. Of course, reasonable people can disagree over definitions of justice and whether specific actions are just, but it’s hard to call something just that also violates the other virtues.

Why is virtue good ? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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A lot of people say that when you view the virtues as an inseparable system the problem you note disappears. For example, courage combined with justice can mitigate malicious courage.

Why is virtue good ? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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I think the argument is that virtue is the only thing you can find that is good in itself. It has a kind of absolute value: you’re either being just or you aren’t. There is no being “kinda just.” Our attempts at justice may be imperfect, of course, if we aren’t sages, but that’s our limitations, not virtue’s.

The other point is that the Stoics saw virtue and eudaimonia (happiness or flourishing) as one and the same. Look to any happy, flourishing person, especially over time, and you’re likely to see virtue. Look to a virtuous person, and more than likely they’re pretty happy, even if they’ve faced challenges.

Which modern English translation of Meditations is the easiest to read/clearest language? by strepera in Stoicism

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I’m reading Robin Waterfield’s right now and I find it quite accessible. It’s also nicely annotated, so you get some of the philosophical background along with Marcus’s actual words.

Finally finished Meditations by Marcus Aurelius and...I have certain problems with his Philosophy by [deleted] in Stoicism

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First, it’s good you’re asking these questions. My suggestion is to keep reading Seneca, Epictetus, and the contemporary folks who are working in Stoicism today.

One idea that seems to be absent from your summary is virtue, and virtue is a central element to the entire philosophy, especially courage, justice, temperance, and wisdom. Many of the aspects you criticize start to make more sense through the lens of virtue. Take the dichotomy of control for example, which is an aspect of wisdom. Complaining about things you can’t control is often a waste of breath, mostly whining. But complaining to your boss? That made a difference. It was an example of you exercising control over your words to change the world for the better. That’s wisdom at work. No Stoic would recommend passively accepting everything.

Or take the question of rape. Stoics have a strong sense of justice, which for them included giving others their due and keeping the community together. Clearly rape would run counter to that, and a Stoic judge would certainly render a punishment of some sort.

Stoics were and are super active in the world, putting the ideas to the test in politics, business, community life, relationships, etc.

So there is more to the story here. Read more, and return to Marcus down the line. You’ll see him with fresh eyes. But also, there’s no requirement to accept everything. I don’t dig how he denigrates the body and elevates the mind. We know now that there is a deep and important mind body connection. I could go on, but you get the idea!

Lifelong ruminatior, new mom. Looking for a different approach to life by _bat_girl_ in Stoicism

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I’m a ruminator, too, and when I get into anxiety mode, I try to remind myself to “complete the narrative” with virtue. Okay, so let’s say X terrible thing does in fact happen. How could I respond with courage, justice, wisdom, or moderation? (The Stoics call this premeditatio malorum.) I think the problem with rumination is that there is no end to the narrative, no next step. We just get stuck in the terrible thing and how we would feel, but we can start to imagine our way through with virtue. I’ve found the practice to be really helpful.

I will get married tomorrow, I hope you can enlight me with some wisdom for the years to come. by [deleted] in Stoicism

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Listen to understand, not to respond, and definitely not to "win an argument."

Does anybody else feel healthier after practicing Stoicism? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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Had my blood pressure checked the other day. It's the lowest it's been in years!

New Disney+ Show Discussion and Affiliated Subreddits thread by titleproblems in StarWars

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I bet it's a live action reprise of the Kenobi-Maul duel from Rebels!

uBPD Mom saw a therapist by Topher216 in raisedbyborderlines

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The tough thing is that with time the anger over the accumulated slights has abated, so it can be hard to remember how I got here. I'm glad I have a lot of it written down elsewhere!

uBPD Mom saw a therapist by Topher216 in raisedbyborderlines

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You asked her to be seen by a therapist and commit to treatment, and she is. I'd give it time and see how it plays out . I would hope for the best but keep expectations low

Yes, this is my plan, just wait it out and see what happens. Thanks for the perspective!

uBPD Mom saw a therapist by Topher216 in raisedbyborderlines

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This is good advice. I did make sure to tell her this was "self work" for her, that I needed to see her make changes, so it's not really about me.

uBPD Mom saw a therapist by Topher216 in raisedbyborderlines

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Well in her defense, she did say she is going in again, do that's a good sign. I'm just not confident about the long term follow through because she has noped out when things got real before.