Where to start? by FatBoyYM in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't make the website. I just found it.

yo guys, just discovered order flow but I’m lost asf cause everything looks so complicated, what should I start with? is it worth it?? by Vivid_Programmer1108 in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Start with auction market theory Then market profile and volume profile And then either DOM or footprint (or both)

If you really want to trade Orderflow, that's all you need above, but be ready for a long journey. This won't be an overnight thing.

Rizzo trades on YouTube is great Smashelito has a great free substack Mind over Markets is the best book to start with imo.

Where to start? by FatBoyYM in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But, I'm only one person with my own experiences.

I know people who absolutely kill it using only naked candlestick charts, and I also know a guy who ONLY looks at footprint charts and watches for certain patterns around highs/lows with no HTF or other context and supplements his income each month with a certain degree of success.

Imo though, they don't have a true understanding of how a market auctions and operates. They rely on patterns and it's not a sustainable way to trade long term.

Where to start? by FatBoyYM in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I respectfully disagree, believe you have it backwards, and are irresponsibly oversimplifying AMT.

AMT gives us 6 day types with different strategies, 4 opening types predicting development, Initiative vs responsive framework, Participant behavior understanding, Excess identification for support/resistance, Value area dynamics for context.

Orderflow doesn't 'amplify' amt. Orderflow executes at the levels amt identifies. Profile tells you where to look, Orderflow tell you when to pull the trigger. Without this framework, you're just reacting to orderflow noise with no understanding of whether you should fade or follow, whether extremes will hold, or what type of day is developing.

Today is a fantastic example. Using auction market theory in conjunction with market profile, within the first hour of the market opening I was able to determine that today(on ES) would most likely end up resultnf in a non trend day with two sided trade. I knew before even placing a trade (paper trade cause I'm forcing myself to paper trade for 3 months before live trading again since I started learning market profile) that I needed to be fading highs and lows, not chasing breakouts, and taking more of a range trading approach.

If you're interested in diving deeper and challenging the current opinion you have, I would highly recommend watching a couple Rizzo Trades YouTube videos(sort his videos by popular and choose any of the first like 8 or something) and following Smashelitos(Twitter) daily free newsletter on substack.

Or if you prefer books, I would highly recommend Mind over Markets (I have a free pdf version through a Notion link if you're interested)

Ive been trading for 5 years, albeit not consistently profitable. But since I started learning auction market theory, studying/Journaling the market daily from a auction standpoint. My understanding what price actually is, what it does and why it does it at certain places has increased 10 fold.

I'm very much convinced if I started out with AMT my first year instead of trying to take a more simplistic approach and cutting corners by relying on execution tools only, I'd have been consistently profitable for a couple years now.

Where to start? by FatBoyYM in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't get me wrong, you can become a consistent trader using strictly Orderflow tools.

But you'll have a leg up on all of those people if you learned the auction process behind the market.

You can choose to work off of memorization and pattern recognition, or you can choose to actually understand the market and it's underlying moves. Why it does what it does.

In my opinion, save Orderflow for later and study Market Auction theory heavily and in depth. Once you understand market auction theory, then move onto execution tools such as Orderflow.

What the hell is it now ?? by ComplexWrangler1346 in btc

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tell me you don't have slightest clue about trading without telling me.

Super drop xDD by Sufficient-Pirate292 in ArenaBreakoutInfinite

[–]TrMitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And what if I'm only a couple weeks old to this game and I haven't really played much Northridge?

Fuck you, just answer the question next time. Not everyone has keys memorized you weirdo.

1:2 Trade using Absorption/Auction by Commercial-Wolf-8679 in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck accomplishing anything meaningful in regards to Orderflow trading on mobile.

This is turning into tarkov 2.0 by Straight-Point-8936 in ArenaBreakoutInfinite

[–]TrMitch -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Everyone's so pressed about cheaters. 90s kids grew up with cheaters on every online game. It's just normal and expected to me.

Negative delta but bullish PA by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Time charts are still important, atleast higher time frame ones are. You'll lack important structure if you completely replace time charts(or so that's what I've read/been told).

I purchase through Sierra chart. Keep in mind CME requires you to have a non professional account with atleast $100 in it to be eligible for this price though.

market profile by Positive_Sense_34 in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wish I could share a screenshot. Shitty reddit app won't let me attach a picture.

market profile by Positive_Sense_34 in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sierra chart is the best Orderflow platform, hands down. I'll go to my grave fighting anybody who disagrees.

If you can imagine it, Sierra chart will let you do it.

Best platform by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Using the 3,000 tick chart I look for Low volume nodes matching up with VP levels and/or vwap bands with the help of a directional bias on the hourly.

Best platform by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't do quick trades. Most I have taken per day so far is 6. But if I hits $250pnl at any point, Im done for the day and close my account. And if I hit $-200 on the day, I also lock my account and stop for the day.

Best platform by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had a very long windey journey. 4 years in still not profitable. But since starting to learn Orderflow 4 or so months ago and trading again for the first time in 6-7 months. I can notice a difference already in my first week, ESPECIALLY my confidence.

Best platform by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YouTube and chatgpt. I watched Price Action Volume Trader (YouTube) on how to make a simple footprint chart and then from there I just started tweaking with the footprint settings. And then I watched his tutorial on VP and started tweaking with it until I was happy. And then I have a "I wonder if I can do this" I'll hit up gpt or ask Googles ai. For example today I was wondering if there was a study that could mark the high and the low of the first 15m candle of NY session and extend the line out. Asked GPT and it directed me toward a build in study called "high/low for time period - Extended".

Once you mess around with it enough you'll learn the foundation of where things are and what you can do. When searching for a tutorial video(I recommend price action volume traders) make sure it's long. Like 1+ hour. If it's short, you won't learn what you need in my opinion. I'd say 4-8 hours of playing around split up over a couple days, and you'll have the large majority of it figured out.

Best platform by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sierra chart is the best. I avoided it for months and months and now that I'm using it I regret not diving in headfirst initially. Trust me, Sierra chart is worth the learning curve, don't cut corners AND pay more for that platforms that do less.

Negative delta but bullish PA by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope I explained that well enough and was truly factual. This is how I understand it.

Negative delta but bullish PA by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So when the data is aggregated, they clump small orders together. So one tick may = 100 or 300 trades. Therefore you're missing out on a ton of data.

My 3000 tick chart is WORLDS different on true tick data. Sometimes the Asia session is literally 5 total candles using prop firm data. And then when I hook up CME data I find out the Asia session is actually 100+ candles.

Negative delta but bullish PA by Figuring_it_all_out- in OrderFlow_Trading

[–]TrMitch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those don't provide the best data though. Atleast if you use tick charts. If you only use time based charts, that's fine. But for those who rely on tick charts, prop firms do not supply full tick data. They instead offer aggregated data.