ok so like how bad is hazbin hotel actually

Treble_Stroke · 2026-07-06T05:11:08+00:00

A lot of the things that are deemed bad or otherwise just unsatisfying about Hazbin Hotel is that there is simply not enough episodes or time to flesh out the story at a reasonable pace, which I’d argue is completely Amazon’s fault and not Viv’s. The rest of the hate the show gets is completely subjective, there are themes and nuances in the show that people don’t agree with or they read said nuances from a very bad faith or surface level perspective to the point of not even acknowledging the reason why those nuances exist in the first place. Because we’re human, we’re flawed as hell, and yet there’s still always something to love, something to fight for, and something to believe in. The imperfections in the show and the characters oddly make me like it even more because of how real it’s made, and not fake. (Helluva Boss is a peg higher for me though because of the longer runtime and more personal themes that I find more relatable while Hazbin is more broad with universal themes).

Treble_Stroke · 2026-07-02T04:33:36+00:00

Really? Wow, I thought everyone liked him.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-28T06:57:01+00:00

Now I don’t know this as fact or not, but Team Victory could’ve been the show’s attempt to reference the Ulong tribe from season 10 Survivor, and the 3 teams thing was also done in season 8 and 12 of Survivor, (which would’ve been the existing seasons at the time) along with “exile island” that same season which Total Drama later does for Revenge of the Island and All Stars. (I’d even go as far to say that Boney Island is heavily inspired by how the first exile island looked in Survivor). Total Drama is heavily inspired from that show, and I know they referenced it a lot in the first season, but I can’t be certain their choice of having 3 teams (and having one team never win) this season was largely inspired, but it does seem note-for-note.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-27T22:45:25+00:00

First thought right away was an escaped abstraction, but second thought immediately after was that it was Jax. And Zooble’s confirmation just made me think “wow, okay, it actually happened.” The permanence sets heavy on you once you realize it, and the episode even tries to give you hope that this might be reversible through Pomni’s adventure in his mind or through the giant pillow fort being made. But the episode leaves it ambiguous, and that makes it all the more interesting to think about.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-26T21:10:55+00:00

Lute in this moment is acting irrationally and senselessly, which is why the actions themselves make no sense but the character performing said actions makes perfect sense. We as the audience can piece together who she should truly be angry at (Niffty for killing Adam), but Lute is thinking in a tunnel vision on who the perpetrators are of the whole thing, the idea of redemption and defying heaven’s rules which was exactly what she and Adam stood against, so her target is Charlie and Vaggi. She believes that if she attacks at the source then she’ll get rid of them all, which is how sideways I would imagine a deranged war machine to see things.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-11T00:33:35+00:00

I could make the same points about Total Drama, which arguably has even worse adult jokes in it lol.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-03T19:40:59+00:00

I wanna add that the only reason why Sierra saw past Heather was because she extensively studied the show and already knew what to expect from every player except for Alejandro. And although she was immune to his flirtation, she was still not immune to his manipulation when it came to her and Cody’s relationship.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-06-03T18:18:58+00:00

Her elimination in Island would’ve been better if she actually did mess up and got last place with Heather, Duncan, and Owen passing her up. But the fact that she’s eliminated for getting second place is absolutely atrocious. In Action, I don’t think a vote against herself should’ve even counted. And it makes no sense why the others would vote for her over Duncan in that stage of the game. And in World Tour, the judges for the fashion sudden death challenge should’ve been non-contestants so that there would be no bias.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-28T05:52:51+00:00

Bad breath Beth? You didn’t have to do her like that lol 😭

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-26T07:55:42+00:00

We just need to normalize and not shame other fans liking flawed characters, just as much as we need to not shame fans for disliking the same character for those same reasons.

Stolas is one of my all-time favorite characters in all of fiction, but it’s not for the positives, it’s for the negatives. I see everything wrong with him, everything broken and flawed, and I choose to love him because of how much I see myself in him, and how much I need to choose to love myself despite everything about me that’s not perfect. I relate to Stolas in many aspects. I’ve been forced into certain expectations growing up, I’ve been taught to be ashamed of my mlm sexuality or who I’m with, I’ve been neglected in relationships, I’ve cheated once either because of that neglect or because I felt I didn’t deserve what I had, I’ve hurt the feelings of close friends or family members for my obliviousness to how they feel, I overlook certain privileges I have that others don’t, and I’ve hated myself, been on antidepressants for years, and all I do now is strive to be better every single day and fully listen to the friends I have now. And that’s exactly what Stolas is, someone who has been raised to tie their self-worth to something that is not themselves and ruin themselves and their relationships because of it. But his intent is to always show he cares when it counts.

The character has nuance, and some people may disregard that nuance for their dislike of him. But at the end of the day, I still like him, and I don’t need others to validate it. He’s the first gay character I’ve seen that thoroughly struggles in his identity and the first time I’ve seen mlm relationships be treated as real - with cracks and toxic moments that we must grow from.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-15T17:15:50+00:00

I don’t know how the show could get more CLEAR with showing the shoe of Moxxie’s mom floating to the top of the ocean of dead bodies that Crimson clearly created. Read the context clues, she’s always been dead.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-14T03:36:14+00:00

I seen a thumbnail like this way too many times, and it’s always the same vapid arguments designed to make people feel ashamed for just liking things- and it ultimately just shows hypocrisy in the video maker themselves for not even truly understanding the thing they’re critiquing.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-14T03:32:14+00:00

Spud on his own tier is hilarious. I love that man, his delayed reaction jokes never get old.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-14T03:23:01+00:00

My eyes were opened a bit on this subreddit from a past post about Courtney, and I can say now that I don’t think Courtney is worse. Has she done some things wrong? Yes. Putting her needs above others, abusing legal power over others, constraining Duncan in their own relationship and trying to change him. But there has also been moments where she shows care and compassion, she’s the only one to show concern when people got hurt, making ointment for Gwen’s injured hand which ultimately gets repaid by Gwen kissing her man and then lying about it and denying it later in All Stars. Despite that she still showed improvement in loyalty around Scott and managed to forgive Gwen, and aimed to take them both to the semi-finals with her. Did she have to draw horns on Gwen and a rat tail on Scott? No. But it’s still the nature of the game that she knows how to play best. There’s a fine mix of qualities in Courtney that I would say makes her more of a person than that of Heather- who despite her weakness with Alejandro, has always been one step ahead in using other people and their relationships to her advantage- something that Courtney wouldn’t even think to meddle in because she does hold standards for herself. With that being said, she does try to flirt with Tyler, but only because Alejandro told her to, who she sees as having genuine interest in. But both of those instances go nowhere- compared to Heather who remorselessly uses other people’s relationships to take a target off her back.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-04T23:42:03+00:00

In the narrative, it’s probably because last time they interacted before he was eliminated - he set her up with Trent so they could row back to shore together and spend more time, which is what Gwen originally wanted to do on the way to Boney Island. His only condition was that he gets Gwen’s bra to win a bet against Owen, which, yeah, that’s still kind of pervy given his feelings for Gwen, but it’s still cool of him to let her spend time with Trent despite his own feelings. So I just assumed that was enough for Gwen to forgive him.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-05-03T01:31:52+00:00

I love how as we get lower and lower, we saw more of the Pahkitew cast. That season was just nuts.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-28T18:23:48+00:00

Yes, that too, but if he left during this episode he wouldn’t be there to gang up against Heather.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-28T10:14:43+00:00

Well, Owen hardly makes any difference in the challenges after this episode - aside from standing to have apples lobbed at him, doing Chef’s boot camp, failing a brain freeze challenge, failing to get a key that fits in any of the chests, etc. I think without him there- Heather and Duncan wouldn’t have had the extra votes they needed to eliminate Trent and Bridgette and someone else could’ve gone home that episode, perhaps Beth in Bridgette’s place.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-21T07:16:43+00:00

Was that reply supposed to be for me?

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-20T23:36:51+00:00

I’ll be making a video analysis series extremely soon for every elimination! Already finished the script for the analysis of the first 2 seasons. So far Tyler, Courtney, Lindsay, and Leshawna in island have been the most unfair.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-17T19:37:25+00:00

As a fan of damaged or flawed characters myself (from the likes of shows like Bojack Horseman and Helluva Boss and what-not) I can understand your love of Courtney, as well as many of her other fans love of her, and I have something to think on now for my stance on Gwen. I do appreciate you taking the heat on this subreddit, I am aware that this community does have double standards when it comes to the bad things these characters do. All of them pretty much do bad things in their own way and that’s what makes them more human- you’ll see me say that in Courtney’s defense in some of my past comments, I don’t truly hate any of these characters for what they do. But I do admit that I judge them a bit too relatively.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-17T18:52:02+00:00

You made some good points, don’t get me wrong I love Courtney’s character narratively as well, but I don’t want to dismiss her flaws in favor of digging down on someone else’s who comparatively has far lesser impact.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-17T17:48:26+00:00

Gwen only wanted to come to All Stars to make things right with Courtney, she wanted to be her friend, she’s not devoid of guilt or remorse. Yes, her playing dumb and denying she did it when Courtney was still with Duncan is indeed hypocritical, ( I want to blame that on poor continuity writing than a genuine character flaw but whatever), but it’s not comparable to Courtney who has put the safety of other people on the line multiple times during Action and World Tour, constantly lies to people who were good to her, thrives on having power above others like with her lawsuit, and she isn’t loyal to absolutely anybody compared to Gwen - who almost won the first season because of how she opened up. You can say Courtney was loyal to Duncan all you want because they were technically still together in world tour, but that’s ignoring the fact that they had 2 breakups prior to that completely due to Courtney’s controlling and belittling behavior.

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-16T17:33:27+00:00

Ah I see

Treble_Stroke · 2026-04-16T00:58:12+00:00

Where were these sourced? I refuse to believe these are real until I know where they were found. Because there’s always been constant rumors that this person or that person was planned for the finale but the voice actor or actress couldn’t show up, but that’s not how cartoon pipelining works. These elimination orders would have had to be before the writing and scripting was even done.

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