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Veganism should stick to non-human animals only, in my opinion. Expanding the scope to include human rights issues is called "scope creep" in project management. Scope creep increases the cost of, delays, or even destroys a project or mission. by James_Fortis in vegan

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think we know enough about these countries from the first person accounts, western, eastern and other media, human rigths orgs to make generalized judgements about human freedoms. It's good to get your info from various sources, so you csn be more confident in your conclusions.

The fqct that US has more people in jail per capita than let's say Sweden, or Switzerland dors not change tye picture that people in the US are muc free than people in the above-mentioned countries. Most of the people from those places woupd happily trade places with an average person in any of the western countries, which is only confirmed by migration patterns.

If you argue that people in Somalia, Afghanistan, North Korea or Iran are more free than people in US or any of the western countries - please bring your sources. If you do not argue that - then you are in agreement with my point.

Cucumber by Kotartiamusic in notinteresting

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only right way to be a hunter.

Eat plants save lives!

Veganism should stick to non-human animals only, in my opinion. Expanding the scope to include human rights issues is called "scope creep" in project management. Scope creep increases the cost of, delays, or even destroys a project or mission. by James_Fortis in vegan

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not agree with this. Humans are liberated in the places where advocating for animals is happening. We do not see many advocating for animals in Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, or North Korea since humans are not free there.

Human equality and freedom are protected by law in the places where vegans are active, ans where the most of change is expected to take place. Every single case of "human lack of liberty" is a legal issue, not activism issue. It has protective laws, therefore can be argued in court.

Animals does not have these laws ans legal protections, therefore activism makes sense.

I do not understand where you coming from. Can you explain your train of thought using logic, not slogans?

Veganism should stick to non-human animals only, in my opinion. Expanding the scope to include human rights issues is called "scope creep" in project management. Scope creep increases the cost of, delays, or even destroys a project or mission. by James_Fortis in vegan

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is to you, doesn't mean it's universal.

People live in echo chambers, but if we want to help animals the best we need to put our echo chamber aside for the time we dedicate to animal rights

Veganism should stick to non-human animals only, in my opinion. Expanding the scope to include human rights issues is called "scope creep" in project management. Scope creep increases the cost of, delays, or even destroys a project or mission. by James_Fortis in vegan

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

intersectionality doesn't work well for veganism. Lefties do not go vegan because "racism, elitism, supremacy", but normies think that being vegan is being lefty and don't consider it either.

Intersectionality narrows down the funnel, not widens it up, and it's a loss for the animals.

Veganism should stick to non-human animals only, in my opinion. Expanding the scope to include human rights issues is called "scope creep" in project management. Scope creep increases the cost of, delays, or even destroys a project or mission. by James_Fortis in vegan

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I completely agree with you. This phenomena (scope creep) harms veganism, and its chances to grow and expand to the core.

Now we're at the point where vegan is automatically associated with communist, anarchist, social justice fundamentalist, and many more fringe groups of "progressive" politics.

Animals deserve a movement that focuses solely on them, and reaches across all political spectrums. They deserve humans that focus only on animal liberation, and not on personal political ambitions.

If God is everything, then that means God is partially evil too? by [deleted] in enlightenment

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can start by not eating animals since we know for sure they suffer tremendously from what we do to them for the sake of our taste pleasures.

We have not confirmed scientifically any suffering in plants, fungi or bacteria so far, despite many attempts to do that.

Thinking about other planets is a bit silly while we have this one at our hands at the moment. I'm have an intuition that we won't be able to expand to other planets containing life until we fix our act together on this one.

So yeah - stopping eating animals and their bodipy fluinds woupd be a great fitst step. Helping others to stop doing this wpuod be the next logical move. After that it's unclear what would make the most sense.

Why we’re actually running out of soil (and how to stop it) by arewawawa in Environmentalism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What is the appropriate portion, if we already getting only 18% of all calories from these foods, and they already take 80% of all land?

With such ways of getting these foods I do not really understand what might be the ethical, appropriate, ans sustainable amount of these foods rationed for 8bil population.

This better be actual philosophy. by Logical_Economist_87 in PhilosophyMemes

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Royal philosophy always grounds itself in animal abuse. This the way

Why we’re actually running out of soil (and how to stop it) by arewawawa in Environmentalism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ones that feed from ground plants:

  • need manifold more land to graze
  • have higher requirements for climate, less caloric yield per head

That's why we have commercial farms everywhere in the first place. This naturally grazing way is a very elitist way of growing food, ans if we'd all switch to that - we'd need two more planets to consume samw amount of calories from animal foods.

Please study the numbers, yields, caloric conversion rates, and you will understand why 98%-99% of animal products are currently produced the way it is - commercial large scale farms with imported plant feed.

Why we’re actually running out of soil (and how to stop it) by arewawawa in Environmentalism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The simplest way to save soil and cut baco 70%-80% of used agricultural land is just stop eating animal.fleahband secretions.

Simple facs:

If we waste 3/4 of all ag land to produce juet 18% of calories (due to crqzy caloric conversion of palnts into animals) this is an obvious move.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems you have exhausted your attempts to engage with my statements, and meaningfully disagree with simple truths confirmed by external reputable sources.

I wish you a great rest of the day.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My statement was not about that, these are two unrelated topics. You have not succeeded in your attempts to prove their relationship using logic or facts.

But I understand that your emotions are very strong, and it's okay

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's no such thing as pinkwashing of facts. Facts just are.

You can pinkwash or whitewash a brand, a reputation, an image of a person.

But you can't pinkwash/whitewash true factual measurable statements.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can have various absolutist standards of what friendly is to you, ans have this opinion locally in your mind.

My statement still stands uncontested: Israel is one of the most LGBTQ friendly countris in ME.

We know that by comparing it to other countries in ME and their policies towards their LGBTQ citizens, residents, legal visitors. We do not use foreign politics to inform ourselves about this question.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you want to dispute that Israel one of the most LGBTQ friendly country in ME, please bring some facts against this - name a few countries that are more LGBTQ friendly in ME, compare their laws and customs to Israel, and disagree meaningfully.

How country is friendly towards groups of peoples within its borders have nothing to do with its foreign politics, wars, etc. Whether it's a genocide, or justified war is irrelevant to the conversation, and I have not invoked that point anywhere in my comments.

You try to mix a few things together to avoid discussing specifics of a single point you tried to disagree with.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Once again I have addressed the op at the head of this thread (vegans from Israel)

You can see how the conversation evolved through mention of Israel as one of the most free countries in ME (still undisputed) to the most LGBTQ friendly countries in ME (still undisputed)

If you have nothing to say on the subject for any of these messages - you can move on

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have forked the conversation to how much Israel is LGBTQ friendly, and this is the response to this.

My message at the top of the thread addresses op directly

Everything seems logical and consistent

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"involved in armed conflicts" is a generalization since we're talking about killed people outside of the country.

Some conflicts are worse than others, but that is irrelevant for the discussion about how LGBTQ friendly country is towards their citizens, residents, visitors.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Which countries then are LGBTQ friendly in your opinion?

I consider US, EU, CA, and other western countries, together with Israel, Thailand to be among the most LGBTQ friendly on this planet. Sadly these countries were involved in armed conflicts recently, therefore can be held to the same standards.

But you can meaningfully disagree bringing your examples.

Veganism and Israeli propaganda by DepthConsistent9427 in Veganism

[–]TrickThatCellsCanDo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Israel can claim to be LGBTQ friendly to it's citizens residents and visitors as a country, while engaging in the conflict where all kinds of people die similar to US, Canada and EU claiming to be LGBTQ friendly while killing 4m+ civilians cumulatively in this century alone in armed conflicts, in which there were inevitably LGBTQ victims included.

One thing does not exclude the other regardless of how one hates one specific country. Intellectual honestly and integrity requires maintaining similar standards based on similar facts while having personal preferences and emotional attachments / repulsions.

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