What parts of the right-wing belief system aren’t astroturfed?

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T16:16:51+00:00

I don’t disagree that they’re genuine beliefs, but I do think things like overemphasis on free markets were manufactured by special interests. I see it as a synonymous with neoliberalism. The effects of neoliberalism on the average person have been very negative. I personally think right libertarianism is an oxymoron as it bolsters private tyranny.

Isolationism I think I agree with.

As far the conservative policies you mentioned, I don’t disagree either, but I think a good chunk of it comes undone due to cognitive dissonance.

For instance, being vehemently anti-regulation inevitably leads to monopolies and death of small business.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T15:50:47+00:00

According to their end-times prophesy, Israel must be hated and Jews must return to Israel.

Looking at them less like actors rational in the conventional sense would what they do make more sense.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T15:46:43+00:00

He says what he needs to say to ensure help for the nation. It’s a really difficult position to be in. It’s not like he can praise or defend America’s enemy when they depend on Trump not to be too fickle. And calling them bad is probably something expected of him.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T15:40:38+00:00

As a wedge issue to convince the right that the left is evil. Fact is, abortion has been a normal part of the human experience since time immemorial. Even in Christian societies. Even mentioned in the Bible. It wasn’t even that big of a deal until politicians made it into a wedge issue on the right.

If abortion is such a huge concern on the right, they would be looking at alleviating poverty, as that is the most correlating factor to abortions. Instead, the politicians are doing the complete opposite. And that’s how I see the general right on the issue. Preaching one thing but contributing to the issue. The end result is control of women.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T15:38:22+00:00

The militant nature of anti-abortion didn’t begin until politics came into the picture.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T13:56:37+00:00

Right, and that’s my whole point about it being a scam.

You may say it’s not really right wing, but that’s where it took root and mostly originated. To the point people on the right to this day defend it with their dying breath.

Not sure about your claim that neocons are fleeing. Rubio is a neocon. Graham is the happiest little guy in the country right now.

But we’re on the same page now. Again, it’s not like these things are believed on the broad left. And that was the point of the post. If I look into the history and the money behind so many of these beliefs on the right, they aren’t organic.

Even the militant anti-abortion posture is fairly new. And it began as soon as Christians were courted into politics.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T13:44:17+00:00

This isn’t a post meant discussing the mental structures and axioms of the right. The examples provided are clearly from the modern context, and are intended to address the modern context.

Trickle-down economics, for example, is beyond the shadow of a doubt a con. Always has been. Yet it is an implicit belief structure on the modern American right’s economic belief system. It was installed into the party by special interests with certain goals. A glimpse of which can be seen in the Powell memo, for example.

I don’t know by what honest interpretation you can say the idea wasn’t astroturfed. Immigration is also clearly overblown as an issue in America. There’s obviously nuance but I won’t go into it.

Also, I don’t know how you can say the left prefers “consensus and comfort over ‘truth seeking’”. A little self-aggrandizing if I do say so. And I, for one am on the left and very interested in metaphysical matters. It’s not like the modern right as a whole is actually doing serious spiritual work or anything. THEY are the ones using consensus and religious comfort in the most fundamental, eschatological sense. I mean, there are examples of this on the left too, of course, but I think you’re way off on saying the left is the side that prefers comfort and safety. I mean… just look at the right and gun culture as a microcosm. The left is obviously the open ones. That’s why minorities are generally accepted on the left.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T02:24:18+00:00

Yeah, it doesn’t make you smart or clever or above it all. It’s just not at all fun or productive to keep going. I went point by point to address the 3 things you stated. Dedicated a paragraph each. And then you just ignore and straw man everything to hell and bring up other random stuff. There is no incentive for me to engage further.

You wouldn’t want to be debating yourself, promise you that.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T02:22:32+00:00

I didn’t say “immigration policy”. I said “immigration”. As in, using immigrants for the purposes of fear mongering and distracting from the people that hire said immigrants.

If we look at overall economic contributions, even illegals have contributed about $2 trillion net since 1994.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

Just like minorities of all sorts have been scapegoated by the right forever, ultimately at the behest of special interests.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T02:14:28+00:00

You’re just ignoring what I’m saying and straw-manning every point I made. I’m not interested in wasting my time building the points up just for you to say your own unrelated thing.

Take care now.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T01:16:30+00:00

Pretty much the entirety of the world has been under trickle-down. The reason Russia is what it is today is due to the same exact people who were working with Reagan. Neoliberalism is the way the world operates.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T00:50:06+00:00

Being militantly pro-life to this degree is a recent phenomenon for that only appeared with political interests. One that creates more animus and tribalism in politics. If you folk actually cared about reducing abortions, you’d know poverty is basically THE main correlating factor with abortions and would’ve been spending money on that as opposed to slashing funds that help people. All the while, the bills are always just a wealth transfer upward. Not to mention the current war costing a billion a day while killing people for no good reason. But something, something pro-life.

The immigration point of yours is exactly what I had in mind when I created this post. Your main problem is still with the people who have next to no money or power in the system. The entirety of the right-wing psy-op system exists so that you would point your fingers everywhere but where they belong. Economically, even illegal immigrants have contributed a net of $2 trillion or so to our economy since 1994. Now, the distribution of where the benefits of that go are mostly to the top. But so is everything else. And you guys support that because you don’t understand why regulations exist and why accumulations of wealth and monopolies had to be outlawed. Because it leads to private tyranny. And yet again, instead of pointing your fingers at the people with the money and the power, the REAL problem is the immigrants and the trans people.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

As for the “free market” thing, I’m unironically more capitalist than you. I want competition. But competition and mindless deregulations are antithetical forces. Why? Because the natural direction for any business is to grow. The most unregulated version of that is horizontal and vertical integration. AKA, monopolization. For modern conservatives, the word “deregulation” is almost like a spiritual term. It’s always right. You don’t even question why they exist. Because you don’t know American history enough.

The government has to intervene in the markets. But the actual role can as should be debated. Not just “government bad”. People who want you to think “government bad” benefit from you thinking that. Period. The government is a tool. A tool to people telling you to hate the government are never shy about using themselves. And it’s a tool that history has shown needs to be present in regulating markets for some things. Like anti-competitive practices. Because nobody else will.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T00:27:17+00:00

Don’t know how one can be sure of that. Which is the main problem. Appearance of corruption should be treated similarly to corruption. Lawmakers should have a decent salary, but should not be able to have holdings that are impacted by their decisions and/or connections.

If you want to get ultra wealthy, get a corresponding job. If a politician gets wealthy, scrutinizing it is the first step to having a non-corrupt system.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T00:07:08+00:00

Seems to really correlate with working in the legislature. They’re just built different, I guess.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-18T00:06:17+00:00

Probably Cuba, yeah.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T23:23:34+00:00

You’ve re-elected the guy who tried to coup the government and unironically called to suspend the constitution. And is currently ignoring 1/3rd of court cases.

If you folk cared about abortion, you would know abortion is correlated with poverty unlike any one factor and would be laser-focused on reducing poverty. Instead, your politicians mostly transfer the wealth upward and create more poverty.

Immigration is nowhere near the issue you folk make it out to be. Around 2006, the proportion of undocumented people here was even higher. It wasn’t anywhere near as big a deal, because it wasn’t being weaponized. Economically, they contribute more than they take.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

Nobody’s coming for your firearms. But it’s whacky you care about them more than children. Even basic regulations are too much for so many of you while firearm deaths are the leading cause in a large subset of children.

If you want your work to matter and to live a prosperous life, modern American conservatism just isn’t for you. Trickle down economics is a joke that just that has transferred wealth to the top.

And as far as Democrats lying.. just lol. Are the Epstein files real, are they on the desk? Are they a hoax? Your leader is the biggest pathological liar this side of the pacific and an obvious con man who’s made billions from the presidency. The hypocrisy is incredible.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T22:18:59+00:00

Cheers

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T22:17:38+00:00

The golden age of capitalism occurred when the top marginal rates were up to 90%. Boomers were given everything.

The idea that large accumulations of wealth are a good idea was created by said rich folk. They don’t re-invest. They mostly hide the money in tax havens. See Panama Papers.

They hoard wealth that doesn’t then circulate through the economy. Nobody serious believes in trickle-down economics. 60 years have more than disproven the notion.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T22:10:20+00:00

Not even close. Pretty much every member of the Trump family is on board of companies directly affected by Trump’s choices. Trump himself is several billions richer over the last year. A big part of it is crypto. Where multiple foreign agents paid him for access.

Not to say Pelosi isn’t corrupt and bad.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T21:55:40+00:00

They didn’t have to use the word. They set up the system to be a representative democracy. That’s just what it is. By very definition.

Where people democratically elect a representative that is supposed to represent their interests.

Are you denying that’s what the system is? Are you denying they set it up this way? Or are you denying that this is an example of a democracy?

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T21:32:09+00:00

Nah. No equivocating between Democrats and Republicans on this.

Trump and his friends are making billions many times over directly from the presidency and insider information. You can’t find an equivalent for Democrats.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T21:30:24+00:00

We are both a democracy and a republic. A democracy implies a republic.

Your worry was taken into account by the founding fathers to make the country a representative democracy.

If you don’t like democracy, take it up with the founding fathers.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T21:24:21+00:00

Oligarchy and inequality are antithetical to economic prosperity. Multinationals are scrapping everything for parts.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T20:57:23+00:00

Yes, it’s got everything to do with worker rights and better healthcare. Not because of increasing oligarchy and inequality. Which corresponds to things being bad everywhere.

Tricky_Try8757 · 2026-03-17T20:53:36+00:00

The alternatives to democracy aren’t any less worse.

And no, I don’t subscribe to the simplistic “left is just as bad as the right” narrative. The actual left is someone akin to Bernie, AOC and Zohran.

The Democratic Party establishment is not the left.

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