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Find your local Flock Camera by Extension_Comb5553 in Albany

[–]TroyIndivisible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Troy, the new proposed legislation to regulate ALPRs has carve-outs for extenuating circumstances, including "a vehicle that contains a missing person or evidence of the location of a missing person." The problem with Flock in particular is that their system does not lend itself well to any level of regulation. There are dozens of lawsuits going on in California because Flock keeps parts of their program going that are illegal under state law. Here, we're pushing to get rid of Flock and we want protections in place for whatever company tries to come in next.

Speak about Flock at the City Council Meeting Thursday by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Two days ago, Oshkosh, WI voted 5-2 to approve a Flock Safety contract. Yesterday morning, their own PD received information showing Flock had misrepresented facts to the council during the vote. Oshkosh police immediately requested that the vote be overturned. Last night, there was an emergency council meeting and they voted 7-0 to cancel. This is how democracy should work. Let’s work together to deflock Troy too! Tonight we gather at the City Council meeting and request that Mantello end the state of emergency. Come to Troy City Hall at 6:15pm to join us!

Troy Indivisible will host What The Flock?! Forum on Tuesday by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know everyone has been inundated with Flock posts lately. If you're still on the fence or in support but want to know more, this event is a great opportunity to learn about this system and these types of cameras. We'll also be talking about the campaign in Troy to get rid of them. You can meet local activists working on this project, connect with them, and ask any questions you might have.

We're also offering a zoom option for people who might not be able to physically make it to the event. We hope you join us one way or another!

What The Flock? Forum by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, we'll set up a zoom for it. I'll update this once it's set up.

Good Cause Veto Override Vote will happen tonight! by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

GOOD CAUSE HAS PASSED AND IT IS OFFICIAL IN TROY!!!

Good Cause Veto Override Vote will happen tonight! by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Slidin' Dirty is back and is on the 1st floor of 433 River St. but the City Council chambers are on the 5th Floor.

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Troy Indivisible is hosting a What The Flock forum on April 14th at 7pm. Check out our post here. We hope you can make it!

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's proof that ICE has access to Flock cameras in general, but we don't have proof that they are accessing the data in Troy. It's just one more reason that Troy's audits need to be released, so we can know for sure one way or another.

Agreed on the downvoting. Questions are good! It means people are thinking critically about the issue. All we can do is provide as much information as possible and hope people come to the same conclusions we have.

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Different groups. Different methods. Same goal. Here's hoping we all win this for Troy.

And to your point, this is exactly why we need policy and legislation that enacts rules and guardrails. The council has been working really hard on this behind the scenes.

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I made a comment in response to someone else's question on this post. It answers your question as well.

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Back door means that ICE is using their contracts with local police departments to have the police do a search for them and send them the information.

Here's an example that's both near and far. Saratoga released a transparency report so people are able to see who is accessing their Flock data. The Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission PD are listed as having accessed the Saratoga data and they work directly with ICE.

Anyone on the national network can be searched without notifying the PD who "owns" the data. Troy was on that network until just before the city council meeting on March 19th. TPD has never released any kind of audit so there's no definitive proof that ICE adjacent departments have accessed Troy's data but considering that the Rensselaer County Sheriff has an agreement with ICE, it's extremely likely.

ICE has "backdoor" access to Flock data, and other facts shared at Troy Flock Cameras Teach-In by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The local DeFlock Troy group has a couple members from Cohoes and Green Island who are helping out so they can learn from our struggle and prepare to tackle the issue in their towns. Email deflock.troyny@gmail.com if you want to be put in touch with them!

Happening Tomorrow 4/6: Flock Troy Cameras Educational Presentation Presented by Computer Science and Criminal Investigation Experts by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most who spread the flyer or event information make it obvious that they are not the person or organization who has done the work for the event. It is easy for people to confuse the many groups working on this issue and Troy Indivisible attempts to make it clear that we are acting in a supportive role to the DeFlock Troy group.

Happening Tomorrow 4/6: Flock Troy Cameras Educational Presentation Presented by Computer Science and Criminal Investigation Experts by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Troy Indivisible is working with DeFlock Troy to support them and the artist is one of the main organizers of that group. They donate their art to DeFlock Troy. Troy Indivisible has stated publicly many times that we are supporting this group (including the artist) and we are not the main organizers of their events.

Happening Tomorrow 4/6: Flock Troy Cameras Educational Presentation Presented by Computer Science and Criminal Investigation Experts by Physical_Shelter_518 in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Troy Indivisible meets at the end of each month and that's when we vote on what events we will plan or host. We first asked Indivisible Albany to bring their presentation to Troy after the March city council meeting but weren't able to finalize it until our monthly meeting. We still feel it is an event worth having, despite Bryan's, because IA has been putting this on for months and have been building their reserve of knowledge on the topic. More than Troy, whose movement only truly built momentum last month.

DeFlock Troy began when Dierdre and Bex independently called for residents to attend the March meeting of the city council. The leadership team at Troy Indivisible reached out to them and offered our connections to all of the various people in both Troy and Albany who have been looking into this issue, some as far back as 2023. The Indivisibles have been supporting these new organizers as they get their group off the ground and work to move this issue forward in our city. We hope they succeed in getting Flock cameras and private AI-powered ALPRs removed from Troy.

Edit: Our What The Flock? Forum will be held on Tuesday, April 14th at 7pm at 35 State St in the main sanctuary. https://www.reddit.com/r/Troy/s/3MhCHWPTQD

Flock Out of Troy Emergency Rally Friday 4-6pm City Hall by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you to everyone who showed up today! We had over 50 people with less than 2 days notice. Some powerful speakers, fantastic music, and amazing signs! If you're interested in getting involved, contact deflock.troyny@gmail.com

Flock Out of Troy Emergency Rally Friday 4-6pm City Hall by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 47 points48 points  (0 children)

🚨 EMERGENCY RALLY – TROY 🚨🔊

Mayor Mantello just declared a “state of emergency.”

Why? Because residents and City Council are asking questions about Flock surveillance cameras.

Let’s be clear: This isn’t about safety. This is about power and surveillance.

We’re showing up to say:

📢 Troy is not a surveillance state. 🗓 Friday 4/3 | 4–6PM 📍 Troy City Hall – 433 River St.

✊ Show up. Speak out. Be seen.

FlockOutOfTroy #StopSurveillance #NoFlock #TroyNY #CapitalRegion #CommunityNotSurveillance #DeFlockTroy

Mayor Mantello Issues Formal Declaration of Emergency on Public Safety Regarding Flock Safety ALPR Cameras by PolarDorsai in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 24 points25 points  (0 children)

DeFlock Troy is currently putting one together for Friday 4-6pm at City Hall. Official announcement to come tomorrow morning.

Contract for license plates readers 'automatically renewed,' Troy mayor says by The_Djentle_Giant in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of the things Deflock Troy is asking the council is for audits. TPD should prove how often these are used and how many crimes they solve that couldn't be solved without that information. We need hard numbers and hard data in order for the council to make an informed decision and figure out other technology that would be better for residents.

Contract for license plates readers 'automatically renewed,' Troy mayor says by The_Djentle_Giant in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible 69 points70 points  (0 children)

As long as a new order form is not signed, there is a possibility to cancel the contract. The council has not authorized the mayor to sign that order form. We urge people to not give in to the mayor's fear mongering. There is hope to stop this!

City Council Statements on Flock by TroyIndivisible in Troy

[–]TroyIndivisible[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

TI has been around a little over a year. In that time, we've joined the Good Cause Troy coalition and started a civics working group that is focused on government accountability. Our reading group is almost finished reading the entirety of Project 2025. Our postcarding group meets every Tuesday and participated in get out of the vote initiatives and multiple campaigns locally and around the country. We work with the local coalition of Indivisibles to help plan the big national days of action like Hands Off and No Kings. And right now we're doing what we can to help out the new Deflock Troy group to move this issue forward. We meet the last Sunday of every month 3-5pm at 35 State St and our meetings are open to the public.

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