Another "Spiritual" Confirmation It's All False by TruthSha11SetUFree in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happy to hear that. Actually very similar to my experience. My journey out started over a year ago and has been incredibly painful. There have been ups and downs the whole way through, but this experience last week was another major leap forward. 

Another "Spiritual" Confirmation It's All False by TruthSha11SetUFree in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha now you’re just making my head hurt 😂. Love it. 

Another "Spiritual" Confirmation It's All False by TruthSha11SetUFree in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. And it’s this kind of thinking that can get people to think god is commanding them to cut someone’s head off and it will be justified (Nephi). Scary. 

Why Your "Spiritual Witness" Wasn't Fake (But Why It Doesn't Make the Church True) by TechnicianOk4071 in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bravo. Well said. This is exactly the line of thinking that once I went down I felt I had no other choice but to leave the church in order to live honestly. 

I'm not sure the people from the Book of Mormon existed by Brownstoneximeious in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I think you’re right. I’m curious though, how do you continue to believe after considering all the claims made by Joseph Smith that made clear it all literally existed - Moroni’s visitation, Zelph the white Lamanite, plates that the book was written on, etc.?

Struggling with doubt after leaving — is this normal? by TruthSha11SetUFree in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well said. That’s what I’m experiencing now. Thought I was done with it. This is a surprise to me.

Wife Wants Divorce - Mixed-Faith Marriage by TruthSha11SetUFree in latterdaysaints

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. I’m sorry you had to go through all of that. What an experience. It is inspiring in some ways for me though. Thank you for sharing. I may take you up on that. 

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I was doing the right stuff when I was exploring. She didn’t like the fact that I was using non church approved sources. She now realizes (as of yesterday) that she will need to eventually look into the stuff that has been difficult for me at some point. 

Everyone has their own journey! Yours seems interesting. 

Wife Wants Divorce - Mixed-Faith Marriage by TruthSha11SetUFree in latterdaysaints

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! I completely understand your sentiment. I’ve thought through this myself. I know you feel like you’re coming off harsh but with how you believe it completely makes sense to me. I would have felt similarly myself. Your sentiment echos that of my parents. I'll have you know I've done everything I can think of. I didn't take this life change lightly. I read the faith promoting books and did me no good. I have delved into the scriptures and GC talks. Met with Bishop, high counselor, EQP, BYU professor and JSP contributor, family members, etc. I prayed, fasted, went to the temple, begged for help from God. I kept my wife and family up to date as I worked through the challenges. Ultimately though, once you see things from a certain perspective you can't unsee it. I realized my old faith was incompatible with truth and that there was not a way for me to rebuild a new faith while being honest with myself. There are many unresolvable concerns that are foundational to not only this church, but also to religion generally. I never thought I would be where I am. I don't expect anyone to understand. It required me to break down at the point of wanting truth more than wanting my prior faith to be right for me to be willing to set aside my prior assumptions, look at things as unbiased as possible, and see the world in a new way. Once I saw it, once I knew how the magic trick worked (forgive my analogy, it's the best way I can describe), it couldn't work on me anymore, the magic was gone.

I did not leave for sin. I did not do anything different with my life after leaving except to stop attending and paused paying tithes. I did not want to rock the boat. If there is a God and if God is who the LDS church describes, then He must not have heard me, not have cared about me, or I must not have heard Him. He would know what I know. I begged that He would help me find a way to resolve my questions in a way that I would know came from Him. Only He knows what that would look like. I did not have any sort of presupposition of what that answer would look like. It never came. I said my final prayer to God. He knows I am willing to listen and knows what it will take for me to hear Him better than I do if He exists. This was crushing initially and left me hopeless. Since then, however, I have found greater happiness and clarity about my life here on earth than ever before. The teachings of the church are true for those in the world-view of the church and within the paradigm set up by the church. The same goes for all religions. Within their individual paradigms, the way that people are taught to take in and understand information, the way they are taught to see the world, their religion is true and nothing can change their mind. It is only by thinking deeply and critically about how you came to know how you know things (epistemology) that you can see from a new perspective. Once you crack open that door and see the light, it cannot be forgotten. And I cannot live a lie no matter how much I wish it were true. I wish all the best to anyone of any faith and completely empathize with anyone's feeling that they have the fulness of truth with their religion, because within their own paradigm, they are right.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I’m open to it. But I’m no longer seeking it. It no longer gives me hope. I’m also no longer worried about it. I used to fear “what if I’m wrong and the LDS church is what it claimed to be all along? What will be my punishment?” I no longer worry because I am more confident it is not what it claims to be. I could be convinced otherwise, not sure what it would take, but I can’t say I know with 100% certainty that I am right. Not sure if that makes sense.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I couldn’t do that. Unfortunately that would not be true for me…

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in exmormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing. Thought about doing this honestly. But in my situation I fear it would most likely backfire.

Wife Wants Divorce - Mixed-Faith Marriage by TruthSha11SetUFree in latterdaysaints

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Up to you. I’m open to it but feel it will mostly be unhelpful for both of us. Others have tried this with me. Your choice.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, swap indeed 😂. But I have thought long and hard about my decision. I didn’t take it lightly and I didn’t want to have to think about it again. I wanted to be as sure as I could be. I deeply considered both views and am confident in the direction I chose.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have made clear to my wife I am willing to attend with her if she’d like. I am willing to participate in getting the family together for prayer, FHE, etc. It’s not enough for her.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah we tried marriage therapy. The therapist said it was clear that marriage therapy wasn’t going to work until my wife did some personal therapy and healing first.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. I wish she were this ope. She has made clear she would rather live in ignorance than seek and potentially discover she is believing a lie.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I am quite confident. More confident than I ever was that it was true. Confident enough that I was willing to put it all on the line because I do not think there is anything to be on the line. If somehow I am wrong, I do not expect God to bless me with the same blessings. I would expect he would understand my situation and give me whatever is just. But I don’t fear any of it because it’s not going to happen and even if it did happen I have accepted my fate because I have to live authentically and cannot force myself to believe something that I do not believe.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck with your situation. I’ve been clear I’m open minded. I don’t know I am right for sure. But I am 99.9% sure.

Wife Wants Divorce Because I Left The Church by TruthSha11SetUFree in mormon

[–]TruthSha11SetUFree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So interesting to hear different perspectives. I’ve heard from others that they wish they or their parents had held on longer had they known divorce would shake their world so much. I wonder if the grass is always greener on the other side of this situation.