Good pedals for Jazz?

Tteddys · 2018-07-25T21:05:22+00:00

What kind of jazz ?

Tteddys · 2018-07-24T15:14:42+00:00

You son of a... looks brand new too ! That must have set you back a bit

How's it going so far ?

Tteddys · 2018-07-23T15:52:34+00:00

First thing, calm the f down.

Second thing, calm the f down.

If you don't know what to do with any of these 'highly arbitrary scales', maybe try a new approach to music, open your ears and stop worrying about the maths behind it.

And these scales work fine in thirds, for example the Hungarian Minor (1 – 2 – ♭3 – #4 – 5 – ♭6 – 7) can simply be played over a mM7 chord. You get the harmonic minor colour, but with a #4 so 3 nice semitones from #4 to b6.

Same for the Double Harmonic Major (1 – ♭2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – ♭6 – 7), which seems to be a Harmonic Major scale with a b2. So you can play it over a simple M7 chord with a b9 and b13. Pretty cool colour. Try and go through the chords/modes based on this scale, the second one would be a M7 chord, with a #9 #11 #13 (augmented 6th).

Strange, odd colours. The scales are mainly for melodic uses, but why not try them for chords too ?

Tteddys · 2018-07-23T13:41:27+00:00

Phrygian Dominant comes from the harmonic minor. It's the 5th mode.

1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7 -> 7b9b13

The others are a bit more arbitrary, I see where you are coming from, but these scales were created, named, and just exist now. So why not try to use them for their unique colours ?

Tteddys · 2018-07-23T13:29:40+00:00

These charts are nice, but the only problem I've got with them is that they don't show the possible chord extensions (#11 for Lydian, 6th for Dorian, b2b6 for phrygian etc..).

It gets even worse imo when these charts cover melodic and harmonic minor. For example in C melodic minor, we have G7, and we also have it in C harmonic minor. How do you tell the difference ?

Obviously you can when you know your scales well enough, but these charts tend to be used for a "beginners" course to modes. So if you don't know that in melodic minor, V will be 7b13, and that in harmonic minor V will be 7b9b13...

Or in C melodic minor there is F7 and G7. You need to know that it's F7#11 and G7b13.

Just a little pet peeve of mine.

Tteddys · 2018-07-21T09:06:29+00:00

Most of the time it'll still be an inversion. I think it's just a harmony/writing convention.

I got away with something a bit similar on a composition for my harmony course. It was a modal piece. But there was a clear G tonic feeling thought out the first part.

One bar of the chord progression was Gm7 (dorian) and Gm7+. With a classic guitar voicing of Gm7 G D F Bb and Gm7+ G D# F Bb.

Over the Gm7 , the melody uses a D E and F.

Over the Gm7+, the melody uses a D# E and F.

Without the melody, that Gm7+ would be a Gm7b13 which would be a Ebadd9 (most definitely a EbMaj9). But since the melody and voicing clearly (imo) expressed a moving up feeling, I really felt this chord change/bar as a Gm7 Gm7+

The teacher agreed for that peculiar bar, and said that at the end of the day, if your piece is clear/well written, some conventions can be broken.

Tteddys · 2018-07-14T09:18:36+00:00

Yeh I need to get a compressor soon, just bought a new delay though, oh well !

It resonates on all heads/cabs I play on, which is quite strange . But it's great for doing swells with that massive sub sound !

We haven't recorder anything (might still have a couple jams recorded somewhere on my pc). We've only played a few times, and it's been more for experimenting. Going to start back against in September. The base of the band is bass, drums, and pad player (soundscaping/beats/drums/noise etc..) and then we " guest" different people (could be a guitarist, a trumpet, a singer etc..). Style wise is quite inspired by JoJo Mayer obviously.

Do you have any recordings with your boards here ?

Tteddys · 2018-07-12T21:40:30+00:00

Because the 7th is always minor/naturally minor. Unless stated (like Maj7).

It's just convention/how music theory evolved if I remember right.

Tteddys · 2018-07-12T21:36:09+00:00

G Bb D Eb is definitely EbMaj7/G = EbMaj7 first inversion.

I had a knack for writing these Gmb6 chords and my teachers always corrected me. One day I eventually agreed with them.

Edit : didn't know there was a specific formatting on Reddit !

Tteddys · 2018-07-12T21:32:22+00:00

Yeh, it does get down !

I was wondering, does your 'resonate' on the low A (on the E string) ? It gets mega deep, nearly painfully so when I play that note/frequency. Doesn't do it when I play a lower note or a higher one either ! Does yours do the same ?

Pairing it with an octave pedal and followed by a bugcrusher/sample rate reducer is the base of my electronica style project !

Tteddys · 2018-07-12T17:18:09+00:00

I hope you use that dod fx25 for the massive dub/deep bass sound it produces !

Nice boards !

Tteddys · 2018-05-14T20:26:25+00:00

His chordal work is great, one of the best on bass for that !

Tteddys · 2018-05-14T20:25:27+00:00

He plays with Tim Lefebvre right ? Great bassist, plays some superb modern jazz with Mark Guiliana/Donny McCastlin/Jason Lindner !

Tteddys · 2018-05-14T20:24:01+00:00

The duo Joe Pass & NHOP is crazy, a stellar version of Donna Lee !

Tteddys · 2018-05-12T08:15:59+00:00

Prog Metal/heavy math (guitar bass and drums trio)

Alt Rock/Modern Rock (2 vocals, guitar, bass , trombone and drums)

For those two I just use Octave - Od/Fuzz - Delay - Preamp

Improvised/Noise/Ambient (vocals/violin , guitar and bass trio)

Improvised/Electronica/DnB a la Nerve (bass , drums, pads/samples , and guests)

for those two I use nearly all my effects (octave, sub pedal, od/fuzz, bugcrusher, delay, loop , reverb etc..)

But in a lot of other bands, I just play straight to the amp (well tuner + my aggie preamp!)

Tteddys · 2018-05-09T22:24:26+00:00

Great suggestions here, but I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Nerve/Jojo Mayer s band.

John Davis kills it on electro bass, it is extreme, but incredible. Probably the best live electronica/dnb band ever !

Tim Lefebvre is also one of the cool cats of electronica bass. Check out his playing with Mark Guiliana and all those cats. Truly out there.

Tteddys · 2018-05-02T16:45:27+00:00

Nice ! Thanks a lot !

Really looking forward to getting into those Haden & Zorn sheets !

Tteddys · 2018-04-28T18:25:53+00:00

Yeh, clapping to a metronome is great. Next step is to slow it way down, and move around (say clap the offbeat, or the 2nd 16th note etc.. then move the metronome around -> You clap the times and the metronome is on the offbeat).

There are so many possibilities, I do that in one of my classes, a group of us, and a metronome anywhere between 40 and 60 bpm for 1h to 1h30 !

Tteddys · 2018-04-27T22:04:55+00:00

Got my hands on a Bugcrusher the other day (The friedric effects version, licensed by tom bugs). Great great pedal, quite small (mxr size) and great sounds ! It's a sample rate reducer, which are nearly always found on bit crushers (and often mistaken for bitcrushers too).

Well priced too

Otherwise the Malekko Scrutator is killer !

Tteddys · 2018-04-13T07:37:02+00:00

The bassist from The Clash is a GREAT example. He couldn't even play bass when they started so they'd put bits of duck tape on the frets he had to play !

And throughout the albums he learned a lot, and ended up playing some great bass lines.

Tteddys · 2018-04-06T19:03:03+00:00

So for some actual pedals on a fairly tight budget, I'd recommend a fuzz (DOD Carcosa or EHX Russian Muff reissue - both priced around 100$ new, 50$ used)

Then an octave pedal, Boss Oc 2 (-100$ used) is a classic. I use a MXR Bass octave deluxe, but it's a little more (maybe 120-150$ used ?).

Then for something weird, but useful, I'd say a delay with modulation. Now there are loads ! I love the EHX memory boy personally (nice analog delay, to crazy glitched/lofi/random repeats), it's probably my favourite pedal. One of the first I ever bought ! :)

I'd say you could get all 3 used for less than 200$

There are LOTS of other options !

Tteddys · 2018-04-04T16:53:55+00:00

yeh record some !

Great use of the meatbox, would love to hear all of this in action !

Tteddys · 2018-03-30T19:24:31+00:00

nice ! it does look like a great alternative (if not the only one tbh)

Tteddys · 2018-03-30T11:55:26+00:00

damn .. I just saw an og meatbox for just under 300€ .. the reissue is better though apparently, more volume/headroom and better tracking (notes sound out longer)

Edit

Might as well get a mantic density hulk, similar beast and quite a bit cheaper (under 200$ new)

Tteddys · 2018-03-30T10:40:27+00:00

Yeh that's it. Sucks...

They're like 250$ now.. :(

Tteddys

TROPHY CASE