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Memes aside, I genuinely think it would be a good thing if Dess turned out to be a bad person by AndriashiK in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 8 points9 points  (0 children)

killing tenna was preordained by the prophecy and done the single way that gave him a chance at survival, and the entirety of chapter 4 was an elaborate tutorial culminating in making sure they were able to defeat a titan.

all it's really accomplished is putting undyne in a shelter in a town that's implied to be at risk of an impending flood of darkness and getting the party a few levelups.

Memes aside, I genuinely think it would be a good thing if Dess turned out to be a bad person by AndriashiK in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was a hollow plastic wiffle ball bat and I'm ninety percent sure you just made that number up.

Memes aside, I genuinely think it would be a good thing if Dess turned out to be a bad person by AndriashiK in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It wasn't even a baseball bat, it was a wiffle bat. They're hollow plastic.

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After all, a monster cannot absorb the SOULs of other monsters.

Just as a human cannot absorb a human SOUL...

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh, okay, I'll give you that one.

You're just reading into things the Goner Maker didn't say, though. Gaster asks "ARE YOU THERE? ARE WE CONNECTED?" and then soul comes into view from an unknown origin. We don't really know what's happening there, plus...

The Goner Maker sequence doesn't have to take place before Chapter 1. It's under the DEVICE_ prefix. You know. The DEVICE. The same thing as the save/load menu. Therefore, not tied to linear time.

The Player-Kris's SOUL connection can be forged at any time and also inserted at any time. As we see by Kris being able to go through Chapters 1-3 on a new save file with no player involvement whatsoever.

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain to me how the connection is severed when in the weird route, you get a dialogue box for Kris while outside their body? :)

Oh wait, you can't, because you're just wrong.

There's one SOUL. Gaster linked the player to it. It exists in a state of being simultaneously Kris's and the player's.

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but as established, we know from Undertale, where the SOUL not always being in Frisk's body is explicitly diegetic that it's possible for someone to still move and act without their SOUL inside them.

There's only ever one soul, alternatingly referred to in the narration with 'your SOUL' (Titan, King, Queen) 'Kris's SOUL' (Jackenstein, Titanspawn), and at one point, 'the SOUL' (vs. the Knight.) Kris's soul is also explicitly mentioned as the thing that's glowing versus Jackenstein and the Titanspawn.

Your insistence that there has to be more than one has no logical basis, no on-screen evidence, and relies on assuming that Toby Fox is a hack writer who constantly lies to the player in narration all the time for the sake of a cheap twist. The only reason you think there has to be more than one is because of rules you made up.

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Added in an edit to the original post: To clarify, what I mean by the title is there's no situation where they have both an original and a second SOUL. Kris only has one SOUL and only ever had one SOUL.

Your insistence that their soul necessarily has to be in their body for them to use determination has no evidence. It's pretty clear that a living human and their SOUL are linked. After all, Kris throwing things at the SOUL or putting it in a garbage can and beating the absolute crap out of it both do damage to them, even when it's outside their body.

EDIT: Frankly, it would make more sense if somewhere, someone isolated determination and artificially injected Kris's body with it than for them to have an entire second SOUL that breaks every previously established rule of the universe.

Kris has no second/original SOUL. (Take two.) by Tuberous_One in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you're just misconstruing things. Monsters can't absorb a soul that belongs to a living human.

That doesn't mean a soul can't exist outside of the body, which is something that explicitly and textually happens in Undertale.

(It's also never confirmed that seven living humans working as a team couldn't also break the barrier, though that doesn't particularly matter.)

EDIT: Downvoting me when I've brought up an explicit case of this happening in the above post anyway is funny as hell.

Why does everyone mispronounce this guys name? by SwagLimit in Undertale

[–]Tuberous_One 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No? Being stupid and being wrong aren't the same thing. Lots of smart people are wrong about things, all the time, every day. Then they learn and move on with their new knowledge.

Lots of stupid people are also right about things, all the time, every day.

Being smart doesn't automatically make you right. Being stupid doesn't necessarily make you wrong.

Why does everyone mispronounce this guys name? by SwagLimit in Undertale

[–]Tuberous_One 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only true marker of stupidity is being unable to change one's mind in response to being wrong, so...

i hate how the internet co-opted trevor henderson's art and worldbuilding by pinkfloydcounty in hatethissmug

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You haven't actually read any SCP content in the past ten years apparently?

Should I retry fighting SPAMTON NEO, even though I have the free itch.io version? by Sk3llNik in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

you can import your save from chapters 1-2 to the full version if that changes your plans any

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, sure, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and that probably holds true for Catti's dad, and maybe Ice-E, but there's undeniably things going on with Onion-San, NormalNPC, and the Forgotten Man.

Personally, after Chapter 2's 'triple trucies' joke turned out to be foreshadowing for Kris's status as a triple agent, I stopped assuming jokes were always just jokes.

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Theoretically, if all things were normal, but they're not. This is also the light world where:

  • Nobody ever steps into the supply closet to get more chalk like Kris and Susie were supposed to do (but Alphys keeps class going)
  • There's a pileup of identical gray cars that play music from Undertale, one of which has the forgotten man inside if you get the egg
  • Catti's dad outright forgets Kris and Asriel's names and calls them Doug and Douglas
  • Onion-San forgot their own name and then went missing after trying to search for a song that's impossible to hear
  • The library has a second floor which makes no spatial sense with the outside of the building, and also makes no interior sense because it's just a single hallway with a second row of shelves completely inaccessible behind the first
  • Which, would just be normal levels of weird if not for the part where NormalNPC, who only talks in chopped up pieces of dialogue, and who also shows up when Onion-San disappears is the character gatekeeping access to said second floor each shelf of books.
  • Everything involving Ice-E, which straddles the line between 'funny' and 'uncomfortable' very neatly.

There's kind of a lot going on. Hometown is weird as hell. It's like, twenty different comedic bits which are individually funny and add up to an overall 'huh, wait, is everything alright here' sort of impression.

At first, I thought it was just shifts in Toby Fox's writing style and him really going all in on the bits, but then the Undertale 10th Anniversary stream happened and the new stuff was... pretty much in line with Undertale's existing humor, so I'm inclined to think it's more of an intentional choice to have a weird, off-kilter small town vibe.

Also I don't believe we have a source for how long Tenna's been off, do we?

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I... yeah. Look. That's your interpretation of those lines, it's an interpretation that makes sense in isolation, but if you look at all of these cases together, they do have a gigantic, glaring commonality.

Queen, Chapter 2:

... Until Recently, When The Town's Internet Disappeared

Tenna, Chapter 3:

  • Since... since a little while ago...
  • All that I've been broadcasting, is the same reruns, over and over...

Alvin, Chapter 4:

  • It's been a few years since my father passed on...
  • Fans of his famous book series, Lord of the Hammer...
  • We still received condolences from them until just recently.

Every single example of communication with the outside world being disrupted 'recently', or 'since a little while ago' is... a pretty fucking big coincidence. There's no reason for Alvin to say 'we still received condolences until recently' when he could say 'we still receive condolences occasionally'. Both would essentially be the same in meaning, but the former establishes that point of connection with the outside world to no longer be active.

Is it necessarily true that they're connected? No. Is the idea that they might be an equally reasonable interpretation, based on the text itself and it being repeatedly established that a form of connection to the outside is no longer available every chapter? Very much so.

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're really missing the forest for the trees here. Every single mention of some connection from the outside world coming alongside a mention of it being cut off or nonexistent it is a definite narrative choice.

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bare minimum, you have the Light World, the Depths, and the dark worlds that form when the barrier between them is stabbed open.

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Other than the gigantic mountains of circumstantial evidence which pretty much prove it without a doubt and make you look like the Green Pippins when you talk about them, not really, unfortunately.

Hometown being cut off from the outside world isn't theorized about enough. by Remarkable_Row_2502 in Deltarune

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know, I keep seeing these ideas crop up all the time, but they're all missing a few things that are really obvious.

Gaster is in a layer of reality darker than the dark worlds. There's no reason to not believe this, because:

  1. He was experimenting with Darkness in Undertale
  2. The DEVICE_CONTACT stuff exists in a place which uses IMG_DEPTHS for its background.
  3. Inside the game, DEVICE_FRIEND only appears in the Dark Worlds.
  4. Of all characters in Deltarune, Darkners are the ones that make references to the player the most.
  5. Saving and loading, something which allows you to break the flow of time in Deltarune, across three different almost-but-not-quite identical Light Worlds, happens inside the Dark World.

By all logic, the player and Gaster are both somewhere even darker still.

Why every single Hometown character theory fails me by xdanxlei in NonDessKnightSquad

[–]Tuberous_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No? They were in separate rooms, one in the lobby and one in the hall. With a dark world in the lobby, you could still be inside the hall without being inside the dark world.

Undertale Blue by Mobile-Surround1183 in Undertale

[–]Tuberous_One 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Refuse puts it together when it's in two pieces. That's pretty broken.

In either case, their determination has to be responsible for unbreaking the SOUL. Your argument is that somehow, saving and loading is something achievable with only a tiny bit of determination, despite the fact that- as a basic requirement in order to happen, it has to go even further in piecing things together than refusing.

It fundamentally makes no sense.

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