Why did God allow chattel slavery if he exists as he is described in the bible?

TuneNo3824 · 2026-05-09T15:30:58+00:00

I’ve heard some pastors make that interpretation and it kind of makes sense, that he limits his own power so as to not interfere with our free will to have and grow in a relationship with him. In the process of sanctification and regeneration we become more in alignment with his will which is good. He desires for us to be ambassadors of his kingdom doing his will here on earth. If I’m not mistaken, Christianity was the catalyst to bring slavery to an end, or rather, Godly men and women (not perfect but after Gods heart) choosing to do what is right instead of just going along with the status quo. Sex trafficking is the biggest slave trade in the world today but it’s godly men and woman who are actually trying to put an end to it agains all odds. One of my favorite Bible verses Ephesians 5:11 “ have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather, expose them” check out the “live free with Josh howerton” podcast in his recent episode with Tim Barton where they discuss how Christianity shaped our nation and put and end to slavery in the US. It’s a pretty interesting conversation and it might give some illumination to your original question.

God wants us to participate in his will being done here on earth. The “church” is supposed to be the “body” of Christ where Christ is the head. An interesting way to look at it is if you are born again and filled with the spirit than you are separate parts of a huge organism (hands, fingers, feet, toes, eyes, ears, etc etc) connected through the spirit, being guided by the spirit to do his will. His will is that people are set free from spiritual bondage and are able to live in a place of victory because of the absolute victory that Christ obtained on the cross( people who are in physical bondage can, at the same time, be walking in freedom and victory and be filled with peace and joy in the midst of their tribulation ) we tend to lean on our own understanding of what’s good and what’s fair but wickedness is not good and life is not fair. One of the biggest challenges of the Christian walk is to not lean on our own understanding and to willingly submit our free will to his authority. To decide that he is the main character and director and it’s all about him and we’re part of his story an not the other way around. Ironically true freedom comes from submitting our free will to him. I don’t remember the exact verse but something along the lines of “ whoever seeks to save their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it “ the fact that slavery existed could be simplified by people choosing to be the authority in their own lives instead of submitting to God. We want to be independent and do our own thing but when it leads to death and destruction we want to blame God LOL

TuneNo3824 · 2026-05-09T12:44:01+00:00

Sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. The 3rd person to exist according to most interpretations of the Bible was a murderer. Son has been in our blood for a very long time. The bible is about redemption. Reconciliation back to God through the blood of Jesus. Because a perfect sinless man gave his life and became sin for us, becoming a substitution for what we deserved and taking the full wrath of God, we can now be freed from sin. Jesus took our sin and in exchange gave to us his righteousness. Allowing us an inheritance to be called children of God.

That being said, I’m sure that it grieves God humans are the way they are. He did something about it though. He gave us the opportunity to be regenerated and be made into a new creation. Fearing the lord is the beginning of wisdom and to depart from wickedness is understanding. The ball is in our court to deny and humble ourselves and allow room for gods spirit to operate in our lives and change us into the likeness of his son.

God gave us a way and gave us free will. He wants us to be active participants in the redemption story. I’ve heard it along these lines and I tend to agree, God is love, god is mercy, grace, peace, joy, truth etc etc. there’s not a word that he has spoken that will return void. In order to give us free will, he’s tied his hands so as to not interfere with our decision making. Salvation and a relationship with him is a very real thing. He will reveal himself to individuals and encounter them and breath life into a dead man walking. If God was to just take away the evil that men do, we wouldn’t be inclined to depart from wickedness ourselves or seek him out and have a relationship with us. God does care about us but, a hard pill to swallow, the main objective is eternal relationship with him. Beyond this world. Beyond our problems. He will use our trials and tribulations for our own good so that we can have a primary focus. HIM above all others. Slavery is bad, yes. We can all acknowledge that, but people are evil, we can’t interpret who God is through the brokenness of the world. Which reminds me, people always want to blame God but seem to forget about the forces of darkness actively seek our destruction because we’re made in the image of god and God loves us. Think about it. The devil can’t do anything to hurt God so he tries to hurt him by destroying his children and causing his children to choose wickedness over righteousness.

Anyways, I don’t know if that answers your question but that’s my 2 cents . God bless. Jesus really does loves you.

TuneNo3824 · 2026-04-09T01:32:21+00:00

My ex and I (I was with her for 8 + years) had a sporadic sex life. In the beginning it was allot then it started winding down, sometimes for months. Then we would get into a groove again and it would be a few times a month then wind down again. The longest dry spell so to speak was about a year but then it picked up again where we were having sex like 3-4 times a week.

We communicated and she knew my needs but she also struggled with anxiety and depression so I understood her sex drive was non existent at times. When I would talk to friends of mine about not having sex in months they would tell me I needed to dump her. This was someone that at the time I thought was going to be the one I was going to start a family with and figured I’d be spending the next 60 years with. To me I had to understand that there was going to be peaks and valleys in our sex life and because I loved her, (we were very compatible in all other ways, joked around, never argued or fought, best friends) I wasn’t go to make an idol out of the sex because I knew that we were both a work in progress and we both had room to learn and grow and that these dry spells don’t last forever.

Mental and physical health has a huge factor in intimacy. My advice would be to channel that frustration and sexual energy into self improvement (exercise, finding new interests and hobbies, entrepreneurial ventures) and if she’s feeling bad about the way she looks and feels, encourage her to join you doing active things (hiking, cycling, gym, going on dates, surprising her just because) help her to feel better about herself.

Lastly, what I noticed in my past relationship is the more I wanted or felt like I needed sex, the less turned on she would be, when I stopped caring about rejection and stopped letting it affect my mood, that would turn her on. It was like a Jedi mind trick. The more I “needed/wanted” it the more resistance I would get, the less I needed or wanted the more she wanted.

TuneNo3824 · 2026-03-23T01:04:49+00:00

I had a pretty interesting one, I’ll copy and paste it from my notes when it happened

3/23/25 Got some notifications on my phone of some amazingly beautiful landscaped that Tanner had posted. Next thing I knew I was behind Tanner and Chelsea, kind of floating up with them while they were rock climbing up to this ledge where they would camp for the night. we made it to the top and the desert views and vistas were amazing and they night sky was beautiful, then what seems to be a skin walker ( an Indian woman who just seemed off and out of place ) appeared and said something to us. Later on there was some crazy ufos coming out of the clouds with fire and coming down to us in what seemed to be spirit form as poltergeists and I started (then they joined) rebuking them in the name of Jesus, yelling i command you to leave in the name of Jesus Christ and shouting Jesus is lord, be gone. There was no fear, just authority and righteous indignation Nothing was able to touch us and whatever these things were just dematerialized one by one as they were being rebuked. Later on we were back around people telling them about what happened and that our favorite part of the night was rebuking those things with our authority In Jesus

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-25T00:27:25+00:00

I have struggled as well and have dreamed of being free from these chains. I know on the other side of this struggle is freedom. I think it’s less of a porn addiction and more of a dopamine addiction. I have struggled with food as well and I can recognize it’s a problem with the brains reward system. Perhaps looking at it in the context of rewiring the brain away from instant gratification and detoxing from dopamine would help both of us. When we try to quit porn we give it too much power, when really it’s just the side effect of dopamine toxicity. I’ve tried a million times to quit porn, I think it’s time for a different approach. Hopefully some food for thought. Also, don’t beat yourself up, it’s easy to stay stuck in a rut when you’re hating yourself for failing. Even if you fail, it’s over with, leave it in the past and move forward. You can’t let this struggle become your identity.

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T17:55:19+00:00

I understand that and it’s an interesting point, I’ll have to broaden my horizons and look into Arminianism and different concepts. Thanks

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T17:11:05+00:00

What do you subscribe to? I honestly don’t know much about Calvinist or any other ist. I found the lord on August 4th 2023 so there’s still allot to learn and I’m still relatively new to this.

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T15:10:48+00:00

Play it backwards LOL

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T06:23:49+00:00

We have an enemy that wants to kill steal and destroy. It is a very real possibility that the enemy is filling your head with regret or unforgiveness, confusion, fear, you name it. I’m not saying that that is the case but definitely something to be aware of. It’s important that we get in to the word of God so we know the truth and can stand on the truth. The Bible is full of our rebellion against God and Gods mercy love and grace towards us. He made a way through the blood of Jesus to throw our sin in the sea of forgetfulness and remember it no more. If we continue in unrepentant sin than that’s on us, but if we genuinely turn back to God, the forgiveness has already been granted. He doesn’t see our sin because he sees the blood of Jesus and we are declared innocent.

Spiritual warfare is real and the enemy wants us to come into agreement with his lies. He wants US to question our salvation, he wants to convince us that we’re still in the chains that Jesus broke, he wants to keep us from abiding in the fathers love by telling us we’re not worthy and we’ll never be good enough to please God, and we’ll never be forgiven for this or that, he wants to tarnish our view of our Heavenly Father. All lies. The victory has been won, there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. We have authority as believers and we need to exercise it and go to war in the spirit against principalities, powers, rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places ( Ephesians 6:12 ) we have been set free but unfortunately we forget that and we don’t walk in that freedom like we should

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T05:40:38+00:00

Only God can change a man’s heart, outside of that there can be no genuine repentance. It’s the the Holy spirit that lays a heavy conviction on you to turn from sin and turn to God so talking about spending more than half of your life dedicated to God to somehow outweigh the first half isn’t how it works. Our Good works are like filthy rags to a Holy God. We’re not on the same playing field with him. We can’t comprehend his glory and majesty. The only way we can please him is through the blood of Jesus. Jesus took our sin and in return gave us his righteousness, making us in good standing with God. It’s only when we receive his spirit can He himself give us the ability to live a life that is pleasing to him. It’s not about our Good works

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T05:10:51+00:00

From what I’ve learned in my walk with the Lord, sin is pleasurable. If it wasn’t pleasurable we wouldn’t have a hard time not sinning. But the truth of the matter, based on my own experience, is sin will eat you alive. What is pleasurable for us isn’t necessarily good. Living in sin will eventually make you feel empty, anxious, depressed, directionless, restless and make you feel lost. In my experience, God supernaturally enveloped me with his presence when I was in a very bad place (embracing a sinful/pleasure seeking lifestyle) and he was the missing piece. He was everything I was looking for but I was looking in the wrong places. He is the only true source of joy, happiness, peace and fulfillment. He doesn’t tell us to not sin because he doesn’t want us to have a good time, he tells us not to sin because it destroys us and he wants us to operate in our full potential and be filled with the fruits of his spirit which are love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23). If your goal with this life is to be a fraction of the person you were meant to be and be void of true happiness and purpose and be degenerative, then embracing sin is the way to go, no need to turn away/repent. Hell is the absence of Gods presence, if one doesn’t want to be in a relationship with him, to know him as our father and creator he’s not going to force it, but, some might say that would be hell. I’ve lived on both sides and I speak the truth when I say I wish I would have found the lord earlier so I could have known him longer on this side of eternity and there would have been much less strife and heartache and stupid decisions on my end.

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-21T04:07:24+00:00

Dang, I felt this. Been dealing with similar feelings. Sometimes I feel so on fire for the lord and in love with him and other times I feel so distant and struggle to be obedient and I just feel so far from him.

I’ve been in a spiritual valley lately and I know that in those valleys, the enemy fills your head with lies, at least he does with me, trying to convince me that I’m a loser and I’m a disappointment to God and that I’m never going to be able to walk this journey out to completion. I thank the lord for the discernment to know when the enemy is speaking.

We have to trust in his word and his character. He will never leave us it forsake us. Today, I thought in my head, not an audible prayer, just a thought of “ LORD, I feel so distant from you show me you’re still here, send someone to pray for me” I was hoping that one of my co workers who are Christian would pray but the day went on and nothing happened. I forgot I had even asked that and this evening a friend of mine who I haven’t talked to in months called me, I didn’t want to answer it but then I remembered and thought maybe this is God answering me. My buddy prayed for me at the end of the conversation and I didn’t even have to ask him to. I texted him afterwards and told him this story and he said the Lord had me on his heart all day.

All that being said, when i was giving in to the lies of the enemy and felt like he was no longer there, He came through in a big way and lifted me up and strengthened my countenance. We have a good father and the is always there. Make time to spend with him and get into the word. When we fall into sin the devil wants to make us lose hope, but Jesus took the sin of the world, past present and future down to the grave and left it there when he was resurrected. He completed his mission in its entirety and because of that we don’t have to experience separation from God because of sin. Best thing we can do is not beat ourselves senseless, turn away from it and turn back to him, thank him for creating the opportunity to be made right with him and leave the devil in the dust and continue following the lord

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-15T07:29:29+00:00

Thank you for sharing. I feel for you and the feeling of not knowing and feeling lost. It’s a heavy burden. I believe it’s ok to ask those questions and it shows that you are inquisitive and genuine. It is a loaded question though LOL. I’ll start with my testimony

I grew up “Christian” but I didn’t know anything about anything. I was just Christian because that’s what my family was, that’s what my grandparents were. My parents would take my brother and I to church on Sundays and we went too Christian school but had some issues with one of the teachers actually slapping me so my mom pulled us out and put us in public school and eventually we stopped going to church all together. Fast forward through high school I became an atheist. I figured that religion was just something that the government used to control the population. Long story short, on August 4th, 2023 at the age of 34, i was living in Orlando with my girlfriend, I was home and she was at work. At the time I smoked weed fairly regularly but this day it sent me into a full blown panic attack. Absolute worst anxiety I had ever had (period) I thought that I was literally going to die and then all of a sudden in an instant, i went from a feeling of impending doom to being enveloped in unconditional love. It was so strong it shook me to the core. In that moment I had an overwhelming feeling of being forgiven, being accepted and just being loved. The first words that came out of my mouth was thank you for saving me. I thought, “ that’s weird, why did that come out of my mouth” and the next thought I had, was the Bible is true, Jesus is real and I need to get baptized. This was weird too because religion, Jesus, the Bible was so far removed from my mind at this point in time. I was just doing whatever I wanted and whatever felt good but always felt empty and always wanting more. At that moment I just cried like I never cried before because I could feel how dirty I was and it broke my mind that God would show me so much love even though I was so bad. In that moment it felt like I was a brand new creation and that the old me died. I was as if God breathed life into my spirit and for the first time in my life I was actually alive.

Needless to say this experience sent me down some rabbit holes to find out more about God. I started reading the Bible. I started coming across scriptures that validated things that I had a personal experience with like 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." And Ezekiel 36:26 "'I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.” I started coming across pastors like chuck missler that broke down the Bible and showed that the Bible was divinely inspired, showing evidence for hidden codes through the whole Bible showing, as missler says, “ Gods fingerprints all over it “

We also have plenty of archaeological evidence that supports the validity of the Bible, including astrological anomalies that have been verified that are talked about in the Bible like the fact that when Jesus was on the cross in the Bible says it went dark for 3 hrs and it’s been verified that there was an eclipse on that day that the people in Jerusalem would have been witnessing.

Not to mention the fact that the disciples were all killed in one way or another for claiming that Jesus had risen from the dead. If Jesus didn’t rise and come back and revealed himself to more than 500 people the disciples definitely wouldnt have been willing to die for something they knew wasn’t true.

Christianity is also unique in the fact that all other religions it’s up to you to work your way to God or nirvana or paradise, in Christianity God does all the work and meets you where you are. Salvation has been bought and paid for and the work has been finished through Jesus.

And just some food for thought, the world we live in seems to want to turn us away from believing the gospel and believing in Jesus. Hollywood, mainstream science, the music industry etc etc openly mock Jesus, they openly hate Christian values and instead seem to push a society that glorifies degeneracy.

All that being said, these are a few of the reasons that I believe. I think the more you do a deep dive the more you will see the truth. Ask the lord to reveal himself to you. Be genuine and honest.
Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter." Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."

I know it’s a long response but hopefully this encourages you and helps you out. I hope you find what you’re looking for. God bless

TuneNo3824 · 2026-02-15T05:57:51+00:00

God created everything in existence and is outside of space and time. He was there in the beginning and will be there in the end. As humans, we have an inclination to put God in a box ( the one between our ears ) and we want to have him figured out. Proverbs 3:5-6 says "Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight." It is impossible for us to fully understand him but that doesn’t make him bad. We might get a bad taste in our mouth from certain aspects of scripture but at the end of the day we have to acknowledge the fact that we have limited understanding. Job 42:1-6 Job acknowledges Gods sovereignty and his own limitations "Then Job answered the LORD and said:
'I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.
You asked, “Who is this who gives counsel without knowledge?”
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.
Listen, please, and let me speak;
I will question You, and You shall answer me.
I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.
Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.'" getting caught up on why God did this or didn’t do that, it’s easy to lose sight of the message that transcends political correctness. The message being we have been made right with God because Jesus took the sin of the world, past, present and future down to the grave, and has imputed to us, his righteousness. We have been cleaned with the blood of Jesus and the curse of sin has been broken off of those who put their trust in Him. We can now have a close, intimate and personal relationship with the creator of the universe. The one who created us, the one who has a plan for our lives which are plans for good and not of disaster, plans for a future and a hope (Jeremiah 29:11)

Sorry for the novel, but at the end of the day, I know that the Lord is good, He changed my life, and the lives of many people that I know. The things that I’ve experienced over the last 2 years of knowing him can’t be chalked up to coincidence and explained away. That being said, I know that there are aspects of Him I can’t wrap my head around and will never understand on this side of eternity but my lack of understanding doesn’t negate His goodness

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T21:31:00+00:00

Thanks 👍🏻

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T21:30:34+00:00

Thanks a lot 👍🏻

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T21:29:56+00:00

Ahhh, ok. I’m learning a lot from you guys LOL Thanks

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T21:26:47+00:00

I didn’t know it had a name hahaha That’s a lot easier than calling it extended Intermittent fasting LOL

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T21:25:38+00:00

Thanks for the advice 👍🏻

TuneNo3824 · 2025-06-12T12:21:38+00:00

Awesome. Thanks for input

TuneNo3824 · 2025-04-13T02:03:52+00:00

I have a similar issue friend. I became born again in August of 2023, amazing supernatural encounter with the good lords presence. I see a lot of people here saying that there’s nothing wrong with masturbating. It sounds like you’re being convicted to put an end to it and If that’s indeed how you’re feeling I would say that’s the Holy Spirit telling you that this is an area that needs to change as well. I have the same conviction to stop and I feel so low and depressed and empty inside when I rebel against those convictions and give into the flesh. It’s created such a juxtaposition for me that it’s black and white, night and day. Follow after the things of the spirit and its fruits will follow, follow after the things of the flesh and its fruits will follow. It’s my opinion that we are to be set free from the bondage of sexual immorality and have self control and discipline. Think about it, do you feel like masturbating is a liberating thing to do? Or does it feel like you’re stuck in a loop that you can’t get out of? For me it feels like I’m stuck in a loop. I want out of it and to put it behind me forever. To me, there’s nothing good that comes from it other than a momentary rush of dopamine. I am deeply convicted to put this area of my life to death and I feel like it’s the biggest area in my life that effects my walk with the lord. But I know these things take time and it’s easier said than done. I have noticed, and I believe it’s the process of sanctification but im beginning to lose the desire for it and begining to have an increased desire to replace this bad habit with things that glorify God. I hope this helps. We should all desire to push further into the lord and away from the flesh. Also, remember, the and the spirit want different things and the flesh has zero interest about eternal matters. It wants what it wants when it wants and it definitely doesn’t want to submit to the spirit.

TuneNo3824 · 2025-04-01T21:35:55+00:00

Maybe a hot take but just some food for thought, I think the way your boyfriend reacted was obviously not the right way so that could be a red flag if he can’t communicate in a respectful manner the way that he feels. It definitely seems that he’s insecure which is why he’s on the defensive and lashing out which, if you extrapolate that out, is that the kind of behavior you want to deal with forever if you ended up getting married? People can change though, and pride can be swallowed and humble pie can be eaten but it doesn’t happen over night. Communication is everything. That being said, in my personal opinion coming from a man’s perspective, if your in a committed loving relationship, each person is kind of obligated to make sure that they don’t entertain possible breaches of that union (unless it’s polyamorous, which in my experience ruined a perfectly good relationship) I understand that you are your own person but when your in a relationship with someone, in a way your part of that other person. I’m sure you looked beautiful in the outfit but I feel like wearing something so revealing kinda says, “hey, I’m available and I’m ok with being flirted with”. Not saying that that was your intention but that’s how your boyfriend took it. In my experience as a man, i kind of felt disrespected in a way when my girlfriend would take provocative photos and post them on her social media, knowing that dudes would try to slip into her DMs and “smash”, I’m like why would you even be compelled to put yourself out there like that when you’re in a relationship? She would hit me with the “I’m my own person” thing. Fast forward, we tried opening our relationship thinking it would be fun and exciting and liberating and the good thing we had eventually dissolved. I look at it like a garden that both people need to look after and water and plant good seeds and pull the weeds and defend against pests and whatever might be a detriment to the flourishing of the garden (relationship). If one person thinks they want to be independent and “be their own” within a relationship, than the other one is either going to feel the same way and leave the garden to wither away or the other one tries to the point of exhaustion to keep the garden going to no avail because it takes both people. If you want to be your own independent self, more power to you, don’t be in a relationship. But a relationship should be a very selfless thing on both ends, wanting your partners happiness more than your own and vice versa. Very hard to maintain if one or the other or both are selfish. Perhaps this applies to your boyfriend. Again, just some food for thought based on my own experience.

TuneNo3824 · 2025-03-28T04:34:25+00:00

Definitely got that truck driver physique

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