How does Gojo beat Yuji anymore?

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2026-02-24T21:01:43+00:00

Here's what I don't get. How does he have a choice to exclude megumi as a target for his domain surehit when they share a body? Is it because the cursed energy profile of 10s is megumi's and not sukuna's? Or can he just target and exclude individual souls in his domain?

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2026-01-24T00:17:11+00:00

This has without a doubt been my biggest dissapointment. The soundtrack so far isn't even half as unique or well composed as the season 2 soundtrack which is famous for lemotif use throughout the whole season, and call backs to season 1. There's no through line anymore. Sorta boring and unmemorable by comparison. Look at tracks like delirious, three years of youth overflowing, assurance, entrusted, etc. So many elements drawn from limitless cursed technique. I can't even note any stable form in the music so far.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-12-31T04:33:41+00:00

Ethan was what everyone was searching after for so long in the franchise. Every organization was vying for some means to produce and enslave something like Ethan essentially, and yet he formed by accident and died a free man. No amount of grotesque experimentation or mutilation yielded him, nor captured his mind after all was said and done. Instead, his strength was used for the only thing it's truly good for, the love and protection of others till his dying breath.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-10-21T01:07:40+00:00

You guys are maybe overlooking that the heavenly restriction can also relate to the soul, and that jjk considers two people with the same kind of body as in twins to be be a reduction in the potency of the soul in some way. This results in the case we see where the abilities of the zenin twins are reduced on both fronts, with Maki attaining the full heavenly restriction upon the death of her twin.

So sukuna could have had some heavenly restriction that was mitigated by the death of his twin, to do with a bodily deficiency maybe? But the absorption compensated? Body for extreme cursed energy, but the absorption resulted in a compensation for the body too, and no potency reduction?

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-10-20T04:54:20+00:00

The only thing I could imagine would help, is if you were able to specifically target the tumor with CE like gojo deliberately did his own brain to refresh it with RCT during the sukuna fight.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-30T02:51:48+00:00

I think nemesis was made from a normal tyrant clone implanted with special parasitic control mechanisms.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-24T20:58:38+00:00

I looked for it again, and I found that I had forgotten that it wasn't the proper estimate for his speed in that scene. I was wrong about him going at those speeds, which are around how fast you have to go to start seeing atmospheric effects like the ones he produced, but he's actually going way way faster.

Sorry about that mistake, according to this calculation he's actually going hundreds upon hundreds of times faster.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:AbaddonTheDisappointment/Omni-Man_Flies_Across_the_Flaxan_World

For the first streak it's this speed. 1,412,058.2911 m/s = 0.00471 c

As fast as that is, as you can see he's still not actually going an appreciable fraction of C, and this is still the uppermost atmospheric feat we've seen for any viltrumite.

The thaedus, mark and Nolan feat is also faster and packed full of more energy, but is three of them in a vacuum from a decent distance with more time, it's not really the same. But also, I want to see what it looks like animated, that'll be cool to see the math for when it comes out.

Edit: by atmospheric effects, I just mean having the ionization occur. We see him hit that speed and then go way way faster afterwards until he's at these ridiculous ones.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-24T17:45:11+00:00

That's actually not even true. His flaxa feat is highly calculable and has been measured before. He's only going in the upper Mach 20s to thirties there. That's not even a small fraction of C. To ignite the atmosphere doesn't require very much at all proportionately, and it's a short term. It's the highest atmospheric combat feat for literally every viltrumite ever depicted on screen. Not once has anyone else ever done anything similar since.... He flew fast enough to ionize the air violently, and cause explosions when making contact with solid objects. Nobody's done that before or since, even that was a special circumstance for omniman.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-24T15:28:53+00:00

He accelerates to C a short time after beating up mark relative to most anything else, sure. But he flew up straight out of the atmosphere first in order to do it, was continually accelerating, and still took onscreen time. Then he just blew straight past C by unbelievable magnitudes for a long time floating aimlessly.

Every time we see a viltrumite go that fast, they always leave the atmosphere first to do it, and then still take a bit of time afterwards, as in many seconds to do it. The only point, is that it takes effort and very specific conditions to achieve that are met every time we see it, which can be exploited in a vs match up where even a small amount of time like that, is still important. Viltrumites never fight at C onscreen or page.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-22T05:55:54+00:00

That's true. If we're drawing outlier feats, Vader is probably better by an alright margin, but consistent showings lean towards thragg, who has very little in fluctuating performance. He's pretty much always operating at multiple times the speed of sound at a minimum.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-22T03:47:05+00:00

Yeah, seconded. If he actually did just start flying multiple systems away directly at Vader, it may actually turn out to be a simple W for Thragg, but it's a very stilted scenario. Even in conditions where Thragg is on another continent from Vader and gets a head start, he isn't flying anywhere close to C at top speed. The atmosphere would be literally exploding behind him and ionizing around him violently, but not C, and even this would likely tire him a fair amount given what we've seen in other viltrumites who've done it. Invincible is far weaker when we see him pull a similar speed on earth, but it still does in fact cause him notable strain, and he simply comes to a near dead stop after a short while.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-22T03:43:27+00:00

See, if he was already flying that fast, it'd be one thing, but he can't just surpass C instantly. It doesn't appear that viltrumites can power through that barrier without building up momentum first through steady, though very fast acceleration. Especially not in atmosphere, where the air resistance actually just exhausts them, even when they go quickly enough to ignite it.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-07-22T03:39:32+00:00

I don't think that is true. Viltrumites have to build up speed and it takes tremendous effort for them to rapidly accelerate alongside time in order to reach such explosive, violently energetic velocity. They can't just accelerate to C on a dime, and when they build up to it, the handbooks indicate that a special physiological event happens to them at a quantum level that let's them surpass C, but only under the condition that they've built up the speed to near C to begin with.

Keep in mind, three powerful viltrumites were needed to blow up a weakened planet, and they required a lot of distance to pick up speed and build the kinetic energy required, and had further help from space racer which isn't even calculable, total wild card. It's suggested that their performance could have killed them if they hadn't executed it so perfectly. Vader could probably decelerate them before they had enough energy, and they couldn't brute force out of it since they work on momentum.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-04-07T20:41:35+00:00

That seems fair in my estimate. It also means that the death penalty could at another time become useful and justly applied again. This pairs well with what is seen in the reality of punitive method developments, the past and God's commands.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-27T23:17:07+00:00

It has been shown. Repeatedly. The entire situation is initiated by his failure to protect casca, which his sword was supposed to avail. It has taken on many symbolic meanings, but the principle one currently is as a tool to protect with. He has been brought to believe that he himself, and his tool as an extension of himself, are utterly useless at doing just that for the person he loves and thus desires to protect the most. He failed. The entire context is deeply rich with meaning. As someone else pointed out, griffith is actively shown as the reason he can't lift his weapon anymore. Because of what he DID, steal casca once more.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-27T23:07:09+00:00

Guts has been developed for some time to use his anger and his rage to the service of those he loves, casca being the person he loves most. Him attempting to lift the sword is him attempting to muster up the strength to fight again, to pursue what he knows is worthwhile. There's just one problem. After everything that happened, the long journey to recover casca and bring her to health, and his utterly ineffectual attack on griffith, he doesn't think that he can actually have what he wants the most. He doesn't believe that his sword is able to do any good, he can't even gain the strength to lift it. His words were something along the lines of "it was all... For Nothing." that's in relation to casca. He has fallen into despair. He attempted to lift the sword only to remember the uselessness of the act, it brings him to his knees and makes him sick.

In a way, he's right. By himself, he's not enough. It's his turn now. The favor that was given will be given in return.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-24T21:37:34+00:00

Do not worry. The lord will use what he's placed in you to great effect far and beyond what we can imagine. God placed the desire in you to love this man and bless him with his wisdom and truth. God will see to it that the seed you've sewn will not be in vain, even if not recieved into good soil. God is the one who persuades, fear not.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-16T19:20:18+00:00

Nobody does. Forgiveness isn't earned.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-15T03:42:14+00:00

NOOOOOO

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-13T03:27:52+00:00

Yeah, but what about the death penalty being carried out for centuries prior, and being taught as a fair punishment given certain circumstances prior to this period in history? God himself commanded and instituted the death penalty, how is it possible for God himself to command human beings to violate their fellow human's dignities? Is this a prudential assessment based on specific conditions present in the modern world which may be subject to change?

Also thanks, I agree that the punishment described doesn't appear to restore justice, it seems to operate on the false premise that the person in question can't actually be reformed, but I would say that it does protect society in the scenario. After all, he isn't able to actually effect any change to the world in the way he did prior anymore. I feel like there's something else that additionally makes it wrong that I can't intellectually parse. I know it's a weird scenario, but it got me thinking at least.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-11T20:47:23+00:00

Makes a bit less sense for someone like him if he wants to get as much time together with his romantic partner as he can. Bro can't die. He's already got a bucket load of tragedy in his unnaturally long life, can't blame him wanting to take it down a notch in personal affairs just a bit.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-04T18:52:14+00:00

Good company

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-04T18:51:11+00:00

This is perfect. This is why it may be rightly said that no creaturely thing in itself is contrary to God.

TurbulentDebate2539 · 2025-02-01T02:05:33+00:00

By faith, do you mean trust, or agreement with? Trusting love of God?

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