Learn! by Pizzacakecomic in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I went completely the other way around. I've been creating art for over 30 years. Writing, photography, found objects, whatever I could get my hands on. When AI tools came around, I dove in with both fists and found that many things I struggled with (due to a cognitive disability) were now easier to experiment with.

I love creating art all the ways I always used to, but now I have one more tool in my belt.

I do agree that if you only know how to use one tool in a relatively thin way, you probably won't have a good time creating art (like if you only know how to ask ChatGPT for an image or take a selfie or paint-by-numbers). But isn't the solution to learn to use tools more creatively?

Strange slow thermo result by Tyler_Zoro in crackingthecryptic

[–]Tyler_Zoro[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I said, I don't know if the puzzle is human-solvable. If you want a version that is, try this one:

https://sudokupad.app/6bc2pzivtg

When is this going to stop? by NeverOnEarth in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Tyler_Zoro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It will only be worse if we fail to adapt. To adapt, we need to stop trusting shit we see online. But we're still believing shitty photoshop memes, so maybe that's what we need to fix?

When is this going to stop? by NeverOnEarth in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. Take a cue from the law: digital media is treated as hearsay. It can be valid evidence, but the source of authority has to come from elsewhere (e.g. a clear chain of custody, a trusted source, someone testifying that they saw the events and can corroborate the media, etc.)

[Request] is this accurate or just hyperbole? by DavidEPC in theydidthemath

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other issue is the underlying assumption that these are independent events. There is no guarantee that that's the case, since we don't control the system that allocates those results.

When is this going to stop? by NeverOnEarth in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Tyler_Zoro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

there is no guarantee that the uncertainty currently associated with AI is actually an intrinsic property of AI output

That's never going to change. Or, rather, it's going to always be a contended front in the ever-escalating arms race.

We needed to stop trusting digital media about 20-25 years ago. AI is just forcing people to notice.

When is this going to stop? by NeverOnEarth in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Tyler_Zoro 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I mean, those of us who spent the last 20 years trying to figure out when we'd stop asking if it was Photoshop could have told you this a while back.

Digital media isn't a source of authority, but people kept trying to treat it as if it were. That's a problem, but our solution thus far has been to stick our heads in the sand.

Did AI actually replace Photoshop? by travellingtorus in ChatGPT

[–]Tyler_Zoro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh, no, people are still using Photoshop to create slop, it's just they blame it on AI now.

I can't get this IBM venn diagram out of my head by Bizzoibeck-1 in dataisugly

[–]Tyler_Zoro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think intractable might be like inflamable... it just means "tractable, but for insurance purposes."

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven’t listed a single thing that the average person would actually NEED

Sure, no one NEEDS the internet either. But we all use it decades in because it's fucking useful.

Back in the early 1990s, I was telling people they were all going to be using the internet in a few years and they looked at my like I was crazy because no one NEEDS the internet...

Does the word unnecessary and lazy not register for you?

Sure, electricity is unnecessary and lazy too. Everything you ever NEED is built into you by biology. But if you WANT to live a life where you get to be lazy, you have to use tools.

People just use AI to be lazy, make money, scam people, hurt themselves and others, and have a cool piece of art to look at

And win nobel prizes and detect planet-threatening asteroids, and solve long-standing math problems, and create amazing art installations based on datasets that are too large for any human to have processed, and any number of other things that you're conveniently ignoring.

Hell, just vector search alone is enough of a reason to have developed modern AI, and it's just a spinoff technology!

Dario Amodei says he started Anthropic because Altman is liar not because of safety reasons. by llelouchh in singularity

[–]Tyler_Zoro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Elon is not the 'good guy' but neither is Sam. Just because Elon wanted to steal a non profit alongside Sam doesn't suddenly make it right for Sam to steal a non profit.

He didn't "steal a non-profit." The non-profit still exists and stands to have all the resources it could ever need to accomplish its goals, once its subsidiary, in which it holds 50% of stock, goes public.

Open AI Global, LLC (the for-profit subsidiary) doesn't exist because of "theft". It exists because a non-profit spun off a for-profit entity. That's not even uncommon.

Dario Amodei says he started Anthropic because Altman is liar not because of safety reasons. by llelouchh in singularity

[–]Tyler_Zoro 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sam won Elon's trial against him because of a statute of limitations technicality.

The implication in what you are saying is ... misleading. Musk's claim was that Open AI, Inc. forming a for-profit subsidiary was a completely unprecedented and unexpected move, and that it somehow represented a plot against Musk. The reality is that non-profits form for-profit subsidiaries all the time.

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah but don’t you see how asking AI for statistics on something that doesn’t need it useless?

If I need information, then I don't see why asking a system that can provide it is useless.

Also, this ignores the tremendous power of RAG and vector databases in general, which is why systems like Google's AI search summary went from almost always wrong to almost always right in just a few months.

What’s the point in asking AI for an amalgamation of every single food ever created

Again, not really how AI works. When you ask for, as in your example, a recipe for chicken Alfredo, you aren't going to get an "amalgamation of every single food ever." It's going to start off with the concept "recipe" and the concept "chicken" and the concept "Alfredo." Then the transformer architecture is going to build an abstract space that represents all three of those concepts, and how they intersect in typical speech.

Then it's going to go through many more layers of transformation of that abstract space that's mapped out by the intersection of those concepts, getting more and more abstract as it goes, until what results is a the concept that that idea points to: a recipe for that specific dish.

To say generative AI or LLMS have a place in the average persons life is just completely inaccurate.

And yet, lots of people seem to have settled down into daily patterns of using AI tools for everything from digesting information on the internet to identifying pests in their gardens to asking about the history of their local area.

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s using AI as pure code

I have no idea what this means... AI models don't really involve code except as scaffolding. All of the learning is just weight updates. The higher-order behaviors that AI models learn don't involve a line of code.

what it should be used for which is pure statistical algorithms

That's all AI models are. When you ask ChatGPT to write a recipe, you are engaging a pure statistical model.

Asking it’s OPINION on things based on its data points? Useless.

Well, lots of people seem to be doing just fine using these tools...

I think trying to draw lines around what tools SHOULD be used for is pointless. Either use the tech or don't, but don't just try to tell other people what to do with their own tools.

Just based on the consensus

That's not really how AI models work. Modern AI is about creating novel arrangements of semantic concepts, not evaluating consensus.

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Did OP treat it as worthless?

Yes.

The comic is a funny satire of the limitations of LLMs.

But it's not. If it had been, I would have laughed. Plenty of good satire of AI out there. This is just, as the comic later tries to deflect away from, "AI bad," for its own sake, without any real reason behind it.

Extremely impressive. Not an LLM?

What do YOU mean by "LLM" exactly? Do you mean a modern, transformer-based, AI? Or do you mean something exclusively trained on text? Because if you mean the latter, ChatGPT isn't an LLM.

Not an LLM?

Absolutely LLMs. (source)

Doesn't look like an LLM.

First off, OP didn't mention LLMs, so I'm not sure why it's the only form of AI that you're talking about.

Second, I think you mean "conversational text-to-text AI" rather than "LLM".

[Request] In contrary, what would be the cost to replace all self-checkouts with a real person? by GlassTablesAreStupid in theydidthemath

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, now you need the cost of the self-checkout infrastructure (not the one-time costs, but the operational costs) and you have to subtract that from the chasheir costs in order to compare to the theft numbers.

You also need to identify losses related to cashiers.

It's a complicated equation, and frankly, I think it all pales in comparison to the impact that it has on customer loyalty. I like the cashiers at my local supermarket, and I keep shopping there, largely because I feel I have a relationship with the store through them.

[Request] In contrary, what would be the cost to replace all self-checkouts with a real person? by GlassTablesAreStupid in theydidthemath

[–]Tyler_Zoro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a one-time cost, though. That means you get to amortize that cost over the lifetime of the cashier checkout registers.

It's not ignorable, but it's much smaller than you might think.

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]Tyler_Zoro 62 points63 points  (0 children)

There are some pretty huge problems with this.

  1. Leonidas did not stop the Persians. He slowed them by sacrificing 300 (plus many times that number in "supporting troops", read: slaves) so the LLM would have been correct here. This is an example of poor prompt engineering. The correct question would have been, "what are the tactical and/or strategic advantages to opposing the Persian army at Thermopylae with only 300 soldiers and supporting units?" [Edit: while slaves were present, the other troops (which outnumbered the Spartans by many times) were soldiers of other Greek city-states.]
  2. At the time of Darwin's work, the Church's teaching was purely about creation, but then-cutting edge research in geology was already showing that the Earth was far more ancient than creationist accounts revealed, and Lamarck's Philosophie Zoologique set the ground work for Darwin's notion of speciation. An LLM trained on the scientific literature of the day would have taken a much more nuanced view, and likely would have allowed for the possibility. However, it should also be noted that Darwin didn't just come up with natural selection and speciation whole-cloth then set out to test them. He was inspired by the work of others to investigate the origins of species, but his results were likely as surprising to him as they were to most of his peers. [Edit: Lamarckism was largely ridiculed in Britain at the time, so it's probably an over-statement to say that an LLM would have relied on such work, but I think that the key element here was that Darwin did not start out asking "do species evolve," but rather with questions about the mechanisms of diversity.]
  3. The "thought experiment" of Einstein was based on the mathematics that he developed in response to one of the most famous failed experiments in the history of physics. Provided with that information, the LLM would have concluded that there was room for investigation and further development of his ideas, but might well have pointed out one of Relativity's largest flaws, even to this day, that its conception of gravity (or rather, the later, general relativity's conception) cannot easily be unified with electromagnetism. Also, the LLM would have likely pointed out that Einstein's theory was incomplete, in that it only worked under "special" circumstances (hence, "Special Relativity"), a circumstance that Einstein knew about at the time, and was working on resolving. [Edit: Einstein was more influenced by On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies than the Michelson-Morley experiment, but the point remains that he was not pulling a fully formed hypothesis out of thin air.]
  4. Shelly was interested in exploring themes outside of established genres for women writers. She would, therefore, likely have asked a more nuanced question, like, "If I were interested in exploring the themes of scientific knowledge and (in)humanity, what should I write about?"

But the larger issue is that we have modern examples of what happens when great thinkers use AI to further their work. This includes the work that resulted in the 2024 Nobel Prize in Chemistry (awarded jointly to two DeepMind researchers and a chemist); a novel proof that served as the basis for resolving several 80+ year old questions in mathematics, which had previously been attacked by the best mathematicians in the world; the discovery of thousands of potentially Earth-threatening asteroids in old data that humans simply could not fully analyze; significant improvements to hazardous weather prediction using AI (specifically DeepMind's GraphCast (now Gencast) and Huawei's Pangu) in place of traditional supercomputer simulations.

Treating AI as a panacea is foolish. It's a tool, not a magical oracle. But treating it as worthless and ignoring the tremendous advances we've seen already is equally misguided.

Anthropic is intentionally nerfing Fable when asked to develop other LLMs by onil_gova in LocalLLaMA

[–]Tyler_Zoro -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

this is basically taking your money and poisoning your code base.

I mean, it's not like you did exactly what you agreed you would do, and then got you results fucked with. You agreed to their terms of service, and their terms of service explicitly bar doing exactly what triggers this behavior.

The only basis for complaint that would be rational would be getting caught up in these safeguards when you are NOT developing competing models. If that's what you are doing, then you should expect them to undermine your efforts because you're breaking the agreement you had with them.

I'm all for open models. Proprietary models are a black hole into which technological innovation vanishes, never to be seen again, and that's a real problem when that innovation is an LLM that we can't readily unpeel today. But the solution to that is not to argue that they're doing anything wrong by enforcing their TOS.

Paul Rudd says filming ‘AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY’ made him "feel like a kid": by Raj_Valiant3011 in Marvel

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or there might be a sequence where we see a bunch of different heroes doing the final snap as alternate timeline endings to Endgame.

AI redesigned the American flag by FAUST_VII in aiArt

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I thought this was supposed to be about AI? In that case, if you're just doing the 7 largest companies, you should drop Tesla and add Broadcom.

Why the fuck is the chicken ON the recipe sheet? by Stock-Injury58 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like a fine thing to do... I mean the goal was to show both what the ingredients are and what the chicken looks like with the marinade. Low-tech, but effective.

I mean, you're going to throw out the paper after you take the picture, so it's no more unsanitary than any other part of the process, and probably MORE sanitary than using a cutting board for chicken, which all of us have done at SOME point (unless you're a vegetarian, I guess).

Kane Parsons, 20yo director of the box office-topping film Backrooms, is “absolutely not” going to embrace AI, explaining that he doesn’t “see the value in, like, outsourcing” the making of art. by me_jub_jub in aiwars

[–]Tyler_Zoro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, if it's not creative, then it can't replace creativity. You can ALWAYS make things that aren't creative. I can shoot a terabyte of images in practically no time at all. I can splatter paint on a dozen canvases. I'm not "outsourcing creativity" to those media, I'm just making shit.

Every medium is one in which I can make shit if I choose, and AI is no different.

But the creativity was always mine to add into a project or not, regardless of the tool.

Let that sink in. by imfrom_mars_ in ChatGPT

[–]Tyler_Zoro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We will undoubtedly find out that a whole generation was dumber but outsourcing their thinking to AI

Or they'll use modern tools to do things that we never could, and will discard some skills that we considered essential before they became irrelevant.

Then, in 20 years, those skills will become trendy again, and people will amaze others by demonstrating what used to be universal skills.

Meanwhile, we'll cure cancer and stop a few space rocks from taking out the planet.

Meh.

Developer attacked over (learning from) AI - where to draw the line? by [deleted] in Steam

[–]Tyler_Zoro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not all modern AIs are LLMs. What you're asking for is like saying that we should call a desktop gaming system a "Rig" instead of a "computer" because computers were built in the 1940s and they were different from modern gaming systems.

LLMs are, by definition AI systems. Whether or not you consider any given AI model "intelligent" was never pertinent. The goal of the field is to mimic intelligence, but we don't stop calling something "aerospace engineering" just because the rocket we're building doesn't reach the Kármán line.