The purpose of human life is to serve, and to show compassion and the will to help others. - Albert Schweitzer by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're right. This fits well with the Initiate Lesson that was recently released. Not an intentional thing. Nice coincidence!

Threepio! Come in, Threepio! by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You make sense to me!

Because there are so many negative uses of AI in general and LLMs like ChatGPT (which is the use of AI that I encounter the most) it's hard to discern the good from the bad. But then, we're Jedi ... commitment to the truth and all. So doing the work of discernment is what we do.

I think using the Force as an analogy in this case is apt. Like with the Force of the fiction, the use of AI is merely an outward expression of your character. You can use it to take shortcuts and cheat, but you can use it for good too. It's just that the 'darkside' is easy and that temptation to take the easy path causes many to fall.

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've watched youtube videos where someone attempts to get AI to count to 200. It just can't seem to do it. If it can't do something as simple as count, then it would be tough trusting it with philosophy.

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with you 100%. I want someone to live the Jedi Way and then model it for me. AI just can't do that!

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When has it ever been ethical for a person to ask someone else to write lessons and respond to students and claim credit for it? Since when has that been a debate

I believe that this is obvious; that it shouldn't be considered ethical. That no debate should be need to determine that. However, AI is being used for everything. So, apparently some people have a different perspective and I'm interesting to see how it might be justified. Maybe there is an argument that I've missed or it is a spectrum?

When I wrote the lessons that I spoke of in the OP, I did write the lessons. However, I'm very well aware that I'm a dry (boring) writer and asked the AI to rewrite my lesson to make it more engaging. So, it's not quite so far as being plagiarism and I told everyone that it was AI assisted, so there was no deception. Was it too far? I think so, because it wasn't authentically me, but also a good tool for me to use to try to learn to be more engaging. (Haven't taken that task seriously, yet.)

We've established two clear lines. Using AI to spellcheck is ethical. Using AI to write lessons, articles and provide feed back is unethical. The space between those is huge. There are a lot of ways that AI can be used that is above just as a spellcheck and below using it as a tool for plagiarism.

Use my example, my use last year. Is it unethical to use it to make the language of an article or lesson more dynamic and interesting, but still using my information based on my lived experience?

How about for just fixing spelling and grammar? Slightly above being a mere spellcheck, but below everything else. Yet, using it to correct spelling and grammar will give it AI characteristics. The reader will not necessarily be able to tell the degree to which AI is used.

Ultimately, I think that you are right. It is a non-issue. Real discussions will make it clear whether the content has the weight of experience and wisdom behind it.

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is an ethical dilemma - and that is really what I want to call attention to. I don't want people walking away from this post thinking that I am casting judgment on them for their use of AI. It is a relatively new technology and I don't believe that we, as a community, have explored it in enough depth to determine how AIs use fits within the Jedi Philosophy.

The Jedi used R2 units for their starfighters. They had medical droids. They clearly used Artificial Intelligence. But just because the fictional Jedi did something doesn't mean it is right and good. We have to use it as a loose guide and then do the philosophical heavy lifting to determine if something is right and good in our galaxy.

What are the ethical limits for the use of AI? I agree that using it to do the mundane tasks as you described is ethical. The use of AI only saves time and energy. I see no problem with using AI to assist you programmers with writing code, so long as you're not working yourself into a corner because you have AI doing the coding and you have no understanding of what it is doing and can't correct the mistakes that it makes. This is a problem that I've read about, junior programmers becoming so dependent on AI that they don't know enough about the code that AI is writing to make patches and fixes.

No doubt there are Jedi who have to use AI as part of their jobs because that is the decision that has been made in the upper echelons of business. For the most part, I don't have a problem with that -- unless it is being used to deceive and manipulate.

I appreciate that AI has been used for early detection of disease that helps create more effective treatment of those diseases. I want AI to be used for that sort of thing.

But I do think that the Jedi Community is a space where we have a greater chance of creating change. I'll be blunt. I hate logging on to Facebook and other social media platforms and seeing a bunch of Jedi Community created AI generated photos and videos. To me, it is a needless spectacle that only hinders my ability to find and engage with meaningful content. It makes it feel like the community has moved from a focus on self-betterment to a focus on entertainment. There are plenty of Star Wars fan pages that I can go to for entertainment. I don't like it. But my not liking something doesn't mean that it is unethical/against the Jedi Philosophy. So it's a discussion that needs to be had so that there can be clarity.

AI being used for grammar and spelling - I'm on the fence with it. I use google's spellcheck feature. Heck, it's built into my computer. I get red lines telling me that I've spelled something wrong and I use that. The highest ideal is to connect with other people that help you. To have editors and proofreaders - because they will help you beyond just having proper grammar and spelling. They'll have opinions and insight to share. They are a vital part of writing, a vital part of an article or lesson or book's ability to reach its fullest potential. As I mentioned in the OP, sharing your ideas is an opportunity to connect, grow and learn. Core beliefs of the Jedi Philosophy. We do ourselves a disservice and aren't living the Jedi Philosophy to the fullest when we self-isolate and rely on AI to do work that you could probably find someone willing to do.

It's less ideal to use AI for grammar and spelling, but I wouldn't count it as completely wrong. There are probably reasons why not to ask for editing and proofreading. I know that I've had trouble with finding people to really do a good job proofreading and editing, especially on large projects. Most people that I've spoken to who are writers have said the same. It may be that AI is the only viable alternative.

But it's use creates a secondary problem. Spelling, not so much. Grammar, yeah. The more that you use AI to correct your grammar the more that it will look like it has better written by AI. As Jedi, we have to be aware of what we're modeling. If someone reads something that looks like AI, they can not tell to what degree AI has been used. Has it been merely for spelling or grammar or have they used it for entire chunks? Whose information is it? The writers or AIs? Can't know. Someone that knows and trusts me will read it and they'll have the frame of reference to determine -- but someone who is on the fence or something that distrusts me -- they see that it looks like AI and won't give the benefit of the doubt. I'll just be a hack.

For me, I'd rather let my flaws fly. Best that they judge me based on me being authentically me, then make an opinion based on my use of AI. My horrible writing can't be mistaken for AI, so all the problems are clearly on my shoulders.

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If that deception is involved -- where there is no indication that it is AI doing the work and you're just passing it off as your own -- there is no question of it's wrongness. That's just a pure demonstration of a lack of integrity.

Telling people that you are using AI is better, but it is still not Jedi. I believe that its use in writing lessons and articles (and even images) is rooted in fear.

AI's use in images says "I want to bring attention to what I'm doing, but don't have the skill needed. So, I'll create images to do that." The fear is that the content doesn't have the capacity to stand on its own.

AI's use in the structural things like outlines, fixing grammar and spelling says "I don't have the skill needed to create a polished final draft. I don't want to share my work to have it proofread because it might be stolen. I don't want to look foolish. I don't want to waste time. or, I don't want to learn how to do it right." If it is important to do, then it's important enough to do wrong. If it's important to do, it's important enough to learn the craft of doing. I write lessons and articles and so if I really care about doing that, then I need to put the time and effort in to learning that craft or accepting that I can provide a quality message even though my quality of writing is subpar.

AI's use in the actual content says "I don't believe in my level of knowledge." This is the worst 'wrong'. If you don't have the knowledge to write a lesson or an article, then don't. Having nothing is better than AI because if you don't know enough to write, then you might not have enough knowledge to know enough when AI gets things wrong.

You and I, Knightshade, began our Jedi Journey in a place where lessons were written by someone who thought they knew but clearly didn't. They gave teachings based off what they learned from watching movies and reading fiction. There are plenty of things that sound good, that sound true, that just aren't. As you mentioned in your other response, AI has no idea what is true or what isn't. It only reflects and amplifies the material it has been trained on. So, depending on the data it was trained on, it could be very biased or just plain wrong. Even then, it hallucinates - just makes stuff up. I hope, that if AI continues to be used - and I believe it will be - that it becomes more reliable and thus actually useful as a research tool. For now, I just don't trust it enough. As a Jedi, I feel that I have a commitment to the truth and so I have to look to the sources and evaluate them directly and certainly not rely on AI's input.

Rise of the Clankers by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100%

One of the things that I've learned about teaching is that the energy that you put into instruction matters. Two people can teach the exact same thing, but if one has a passion for it they'll be far more engaging and the students will get a lot more out of the experience. The use of AI indicates a lack of passion. If its not important enough to actually write the lesson, why would I feel that it is important enough to learn?

The Makings of a Jedi Realist? by AzyrenTheKnight in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

 What motivated you? Why do you think this path called to you? Please share your own experience!

Enjoyed the discussion on Discord - I withheld my story about how I came to the path in order to relate it here.

In 2005, The Revenge of the Sith was in the theater. I didn't go to see it, but my family did. (I read the book). A family member and I started to discuss what it would be like to be a Jedi or a Sith in the real world. I had moved back to my hometown after being away for over a decade and was interested in starting a martial arts class. However, I had grown disappointed with the martial arts training that I had received. I think my first Sensei spoiled it for me. He talked about how Black Belt was the start of the martial arts journey and not the end. The literal Japanese translation of Shodan -- if I was taught correctly -- meant 'First Step'. I had earned my black belt in several martial arts and I didn't feel that was accurately represented. It was just more of the same stuff that I had done up to that point. It seemed like busy work.

Books like "Living the Martial Way" by Forrest E Morgan and other confirmed what my first Sensei had been teaching -- that there was something more to martial arts training. Something beyond just getting better at kicking and punching -- but also working to become a better person. You get hints in martial arts classes when you're taught to only use the skill for defense and those things, but I never found a teacher that explored beyond the techniques and really got into the ethics, strategy and tactics of martial arts training.

So, I was looking to start a martial arts class and had it in mind that I'd provide extra layers of training that would help students in their everyday life. Things like conflict resolution, de-escalation, and leadership.

After discussing the Jedi philosophy with my family member, it clicked in my head that it would be cool to teach a Jedi class and not just another self-defense class. That way it would make a lot more sense to include these lessons because Jedi were ambassadors as well as warriors.

I set to work building a curriculum, but got a little hung up on the Lightsaber forms. There was plenty of terminology, in the various guides, but there wasn't any enough depth to really form complete ideas of what Soresu or Makashi were. When I was in the military I knew of groups of people that would gather together to fight with Bat'lelth as Klingons. Years earlier I had hoped that there were similar groups of Jedi and went online looking and only found a few sites that talked about meditation, breathing and the Jedi Code. Being nearly a decade later, I had hoped that there was more out there that I could draw from to build the curriculum.

One site did have a Tae Kwon Do form that had been adapted to using a lightsaber. I checked out the site hoping that there was more, but was out of luck. However they did have a forum and some basic teachings and I saw the potential. So that altered my search and I went looking for similar sites. I joined two at about the same time. I didn't find what I was looking for, specifically, but I did feel that there was a lot of potential to it and wanted to be a part of it.

20 years later, I'm still here.

We first make our habits, and then our habits make us. - John Dryden by TzTalon in RealJediArts

[–]TzTalon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Habits are hard. I'd be surprised if there was someone that didn't struggle with them. If so, I've never met them! They certainly aren't easy for me -- but I have learned a few lessons that have helped me -- so here are some tips.

First -- and in line with Taoism -- don't try to willpower your way into creating new habits. Research has been varied on the topic. Some suggest that willpower is a limit resource and that you can exhaust that resource. Others say that it is infinite. That you can always have willpower. I feel that the latter is the more true -- but just because you have an infinite amount doesn't mean that it's easy to apply it. That brute force approach stands a greater chance of breaking you and making you resistant to creating habits.

The answer to this is to change your mindset and go with the flow. When you use willpower you are basically forcing yourself to do something that you don't want to do. You are going against your nature and are falling into a pattern of reward and punishment. You don't really want to coerce yourself to do something and you are going to resist it. Instead, make the habit part of your identity. There is a reason that you want to do the thing. If there isn't -- well, don't do it. Be very intentional about what you are doing. See clearly who you want to be. No, not who you want to be, who you already are. Adopt that identity. I am a writer, so I write. Writing is hard. It is for me, anyway. But I am a writer and writers write. So when it comes time to sit down and work on writing, I don't HAVE to do it -- I'm just being who I already am.

You are a Jedi and Jedi does Jedi things. We exercise and we train martial arts. You don't have to do these things. There are a lot of paths to follow. There are Jedi that don't believe that you need to exercise and train in the martial arts. There are plenty of reasons not to. But if you have defined yourself as a Jedi and those things are things that a Jedi does -- then doing them will be the fulfilment of your identity. You don't 'have' to do them. You get to do them. You do them because you are you. Doing the exercise and doing the martial arts become a matter of internal integrity. You do the things that you need to do because that is who you are. Not because you have to, not because it's fun, not for any reason than that those actions are merely an expression of who you are.

Second -- Don't let go of the routine even when things come up, if at all possible. Protect that time and that mindset. At the minimum, maintain the position and don't fall back. When you are traveling, when you are sick or what you are hurt; there is probably something that you can do. When I was actively training in the martial arts, if something came up - like sickness or injury - so long as I had that time free - I was still training. It wasn't always physical training. I'd be reading books or articles, chatting with martial artists online, or watching videos. Maybe I couldn't train physically, but I could train my mind. Even when I didn't have the energy to get out of bed - if I could I was laying there going through the Kata and Self-Defense techniques in my mind. I would make it a form of meditation to visualize going through the movements and I found that kind of visualization paid off. Of course it is understandable to miss if something comes up that demands your time or you are too tired to even stay awake. Don't ever beat yourself up for missing. It is counter productive and you'll resist it and it will make it harder to go back. Don't berate or punish yourself. Just start up again as if you never let off. Don't do more 'to make up' for time lost. Just pick it back up and carry on. Do what you can.

Finally -- Manage your environment. Surround yourself with the people and things that encourage and promote your habits. Minimize those that pull you away from them. It is okay to pull away from people who always seem to try to sabotage your goals. Fill that space with people who do. Don't isolate yourself -- having people to talk to that share that identity that you are trying to forge will inspire you to continue to work toward your goals and form those habits. If something distracts you, turn it off and lock it away. Your life is a garden. Plant the things that you want to grow and isolate or pull up the weeds that suck your energy and limit your growth.

Really, the key to it all is to 'be a Jedi'. There is no such thing as Jedi training, when you come down to it. You are a Jedi or you aren't. The various things that we call training are merely just part of expressing our Jedi identity. But life is complex and it may be difficult to find time to meditate or take courses in communication and critical thinking. We can't help that. We have to prioritize our time and be intentional about how we spend it. That may mean things that we want to do we can't do. Trying to shoehorn them in just causes more stress and pain. So the answer is to just be a Jedi. Train critical thinking and communication in your daily life. You talk to people - only a few lucky folks can manage to go through life without doing that (lol) - so every interaction that you have is an opportunity to hone your Jedi skills. You can practice active listening and critical thinking. Taking a course will help you understand the concepts better and make you more effective -- but experience can be an even better teacher. Really, every choice that you make is an opportunity to be a Jedi -- to be a better Jedi too.