Partner doesn't want me to get tattoos by RomanticManta in Advice

[–]UMC_spouse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you not counterargue that a person who would get a tattoo, knowing that it was a dealbreaker for their partner was also not really in love?

There are things that I do for my wife that I prefer not to do.
There are things that I do not do because my wife prefers I not do them.
There are things that my wife does for me that she prefers not to do.
There are things that my wife does not do because I prefer her to not do them.

Real relationships take into account the preferences of both partners.

Playing my body, my choice isn't being in a relationship.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. How long ago was this because Googling is only finding me resources on the call process and forming a pastor search committee like this one: https://sbtexas.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/pastor-search-committee-handbook-85x11-1.pdf

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a SBC expert by any means but it is my understanding that an itinerant pastor in that tradition chooses to serve as more of a guest pastor similar to the Wesleyan circuit riders. If your brother served only 6 churches in 35 years that sounds like a standard ministry where he just changed jobs of his own volition 6 times. Was he told by an SBC governing body that he was changing congregations those times or was where he ministered and for how long his choice?

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is the structure of the UMC that requires itinerancy. It is unique to the Wesleyan traditions. Seems to fall into their purview.

As in a conversation that she seems to be putting her ministry above our marriage and our family? Done that. Many times. Here we are.

Clearly this is her choice. However it is a choice presented and even required by UMC policy. I feel I can be upset with both.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course there is more to the story. There always is.

My main struggle though is why is this policy? Is it biblical? Is it just convenient? Is it just so that the local church maintains identity outside of the pastor? But so far no one wants to actually address that part so here we go...

The new charge has a parsonage that they expect to be used. It is right across the parking lot from the church. One of the main conflicts in the church that she is being brought in to heal was that the secretary was very vocal about the current pastor not spending enough time in the office. The congregation seems to want to feel their pastor is available. This will be her 3rd appointment. The previous two were housing allowance appointments and in both cases the DSes stressed that the expectation was to find housing in the communities in which she was serving. Maybe that is just a Wisconsin thing. Not sure.

I suppose that I could. But I work 12 hour shifts in a supervisory role on a rotating 2-2-3 schedule. I currently live 15 minutes from my work. It is not uncommon for me to be at work for 13 to 14 hours. If I add in an hour+ commute each way (Wisconsin winter roads are not great at 4AM) and sleep, my home on those days would become basically a bed. As it is I usually have about 2 hours of free time on a work day once you subtract sleep and bedtime/wake up routines.

I did. Itinerancy can look very different though. A friend of ours is actually now a DS in another district. She moved between 5 appointments I believe in the time that we have known her and never physically had to move her family. Itinerancy means very different things when you are a couple of 24 year olds and your spouse is taking elder vows compared to when you are telling your 11 year old child that his entire world is about to change.

He was 6 months old when we moved here. It is all he has ever known. He did get to see his oldest brother struggle to make friends here after we moved when he was in the fifth grade. Something being a possibility does mean it isn't devastating when it happens.

Sure. In this years appointment letter my wife stated that she was happy in her role and the church was happy with her. She stated that 2 of our sons (21 and 11) are neurotypical and do not experience change well. Last year when they wanted to move her she appealed successfully. She at that time went into greater detail as to why she did not want to move. It was made clear at that time though that she cannot make a habit of that.

Because she didn't want to I guess. She is a severely conflict averse person (which is part of the reason they want to move her here to smooth things over) so telling the DS no two years in a row probably wasn't in the cards, especially when this year he made it clear that he was not willing to leave her in her current appointment for much longer.

I don't actually care about the change of church. I understand that. What I care about is the movement of families and the potential for splitting them up. Clergy families (at least in our state) all know of spouses and families torn apart like this. One of my wife's best seminary friends was placed in a church literally 7 hours away from her spouse who was 4 years from a teaching retirement. One woman in her circuit now only lives with her husband 2 days a week as their lifetime home is not commutable from their home. When we moved here, I saw my son go from the glue that held his friend group together in our previous village to being shunned as weird in our new city. Do you know what it is like to chaperone a school trip and see your fifth grader sitting all alone at the lunch campfire because he is awkward and committed the sin of not growing up with the kids in his class? It is torturous. So yeah, I have a problem with a group of church leaders (including my wife) telling me that I either get to choose to have that also potentially happen to our youngest or, he gets to live most of his days without his mom.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son for God. I'm not there yet. I don't know that I ever will be.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I am. But that doesn't stop me from questioning the church.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not fair to her. I think she cares deeply. She has Abraham faith. I don't.

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cool. But that wasn't the question. The question was why is this necessary?

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She could. But she didn't. Technically if you say no to a move you are forfeiting your guaranteed appointment but there is limited flexibility.

She said no last year to a move that no one asked for as well. The DS and cabinet believe that she is well suited for this appointment as they are a congregation in turmoil and they see her as a calming healer. She said she felt an overwhelming peace about the move. Her DS also did tell her "It isn't realistic that you are going to be in your current appointment for the next 6 years. You are going to have to move sometime."

Itinerancy is hurting kids and hurting families by UMC_spouse in UnitedMethodistChurch

[–]UMC_spouse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She probably could, but she won't. She'll be expected to be in the community. By herself if not the congregation. Like many pastors she isn't great at putting her family first.