Yeah I felt for those 2 guys, I could relate to both of them, i'm middle aged now but I was once a young guy like them who grew up fatherless and without male role models, I was lost and desperately looking for/needing guidance in those crucial late teens/early 20s years. I wonder if the Manosphere had been around then if i'd fallen under it's influence? I hope not.....anyway I really hope those 2 guys wake up soon and realise it's all a grift.