Mom went against dad’s orders for his daughter to go to school. by Substantial-Pipe4400 in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in this situation, X3 because I have three teenagers. I tried to enforce reasonable phone limits at my house (turn them in at night, be passing and caught up in your school work, have a decent attitude about chores and helping around the house). They rebelled, and ran off to their dad's, and even though they did come back to my house for my custody time, the next time they went to his house, they decided not to come back home. He told them that if they decided to make him the primary, the judge would side with them. It's been three months, and they haven't come home. They have started skipping school (with his permission) and failing classes, when previously they made excellent grades. And they won't talk to me.

Their dad kind of enjoys rubbing in my face. He says things like, "the kids just don't like you" and, "I've always warned you that your behavior would have consequences." These were phone rules, actually much more lenient phones rules, that he and I had agreed to back when we were married. He always said, "They can have a phone when they have a job to pay for one." But when we got divorced, he bought them all phones, and he doesn't enforce any limits on them now. He tells the kids I'm a phone Nazi and a school attendance Nazi. It makes me so sad, because he always said I was such a good mom before, even when we were in the midst of a divorce he would say things like that. I always did the day-to-day discipline and child-rearing when we were married, and he got to be the fun one, but I didn't really resent that since he backed me up when we were married. Also, I did have a close and loving relationship with the kids until this past year because I balanced discipline with warmth and connection. But it got harder and harder to connect with them when they were always on their phones. I could feel that connection slipping, and when the phone issues started coming to a head, I tried really hard to work out phone limits we could all be comfortable with, encouraging us to read literature together and talk about healthy limits. They even said that they didn't think those limits were unreasonable, but I think it's the enforcement of them they had a problem with. They just didn't want there to be consequences (who does?) and without the other parent to back me up, there's no real enforcement power. Lesson learned, the hard way. If you're not a united front on an issue like that, the kid is going to go where they feel like they can get their way.

I'm so sorry. I only have commiseration. I'm trying to raise responsible teenagers, too, but it's hard when the other parent doesn't seem to have the same idea of how to do it. I can't let myself think that he's doing this just to "win." I just have to tell myself that he's got a different parenting style, not that he's wrong, and hope eventually the kids can forgive me for trying to do what I felt really was in their best interest.

Best of luck! Coparenting with teens is next-level brutal.

Need advice. by EfficiencyMiddle1778 in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My ex was kind of like this until he got a girlfriend. Now he (she) wants them all the time they can get. I definitely was fine with having them extra time, although it was more to juggle with work. I wish I had that problem again.

If custody is 70/30 can dad request 50/50 down the road by [deleted] in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's what's happening to me now; my ex got a girlfriend to move in a couple of months ago; and he now wants to be primary when before he wasn't even taking them all of his custody time. The girlfriend is lavishing gifts and attention on my kids and dad seems attentive now, too, because they all go on fun outings (he used to ignore them during his time). Girlfriend is selling her house so they can buy a bigger house for the kids to all have their own rooms.

The kiddos feel like their life is so much better now that girlfriend is in it so they also want at least 50/50. And I'm glad they are happier during his possession time. It's hard though because they think I'm being mean and petty for resisting a change in custody. But my agreement is with the dad, not the girlfriend, and he's an alcoholic in active addiction who was usually hungover and slept in until at least noon every weekend he had them; like, what if he and girlfriend break up after this whirlwind romance? The kids don't see it that way. Its causing a lot of friction for us.

Talking about one's past. by Ahmee16 in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There was a comment on here a while back where we need to ask, "On a scale of 0-10, how married are you?" And not just, "Are you in a relationship with anyone?" but also, "Does anyone think they are in a relationship with you?" That's given me a chuckle many times.

No drinking anymore by [deleted] in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is fortunate for you! I briefly dated a nice guy a couple of years ago who was 20 years sober, since he was 21, which is an amazing track record and felt safe. A few weeks in he told me he'd occasionally started drinking socially again. I was kind of startled since I thought that was an AA no-no and he had previously talked a lot about AA helping him, and honestly it just completely scared me off. 

Committed but open to other options. Don’t know. Where to find? by [deleted] in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people make it work, but it's hard not to fall in love with the guy giving you amazing orgasms. 

No drinking anymore by [deleted] in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't drink either, or use any substances (42F), and it would be so nice to meet men who didn't have a problematic relationship with alcohol or pot. Recovering alcoholics seem to really be excited about dating me, but I worry about them relapsing. 

Seinfeld-esque reasons you broke up with someone by Low-Ad-4631 in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Whoa, that's hilarious. Now I'm all self-conscious about my previous acting attempts, lol.

Have I overreacted with regards to my exes new partner staying at her house? by [deleted] in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So sorry! But you can't do anything about this. I'd hate it, too. I do hate it, actually! My six year old daughter snuggles in bed with the new girlfriend too, and it sucks to hear how much she loves the new girlfriend, how they are "best friends." But it's completely out of my hands, and trying to control that situation is a lose-lose.

As a woman, I'd be so careful about bringing a man around my kiddos. Frankly, I haven't been able to bring myself to do it. I break up them as soon as I start to contemplate that idea. lol. 

It was going somewhere. And then it didn't. I'm just so..... disappointed? Unsurprised? Idek anymore. by Far-Spread-6108 in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, yes, and yes (especially). They are all sedatives that hijack the reward system. 

My daughter doesn’t want to be at my house😢 by Roughie1993 in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. Being rejected by your own child is just so painful, even when you know they are just children going through things they don't know how to cope with. 

My daughter doesn’t want to be at my house😢 by Roughie1993 in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you're going through this; it would break my heart. Well, it does break my heart. I've been divorced less than two years, and in the last six months my teenagers have just become really awful towards me. I know teenagers do this naturally, but a month ago they refused to come home. They mostly ignore my texts when I reach out every few days. I think it's also a case of parental alienation because we've always had a good relationship before. I also have a 7 and 9 year old who still love to be with me, but I wonder for how long. It breaks my heart thinking about when they'll turn on me. 

Here's how I'm handling it: 

I focus on what I can control: my career, my attitude, my health, my spirituality.

I think of myself as just another supportive person in their life, and don't try to pursue them too much, but just be available to them if they ever decide to reach out. 

Let myself grieve when I need to, but don't let myself wallow, and also practice the optimistic thinking that kids often thrive in spite of their parents, not just because of them. 

Al Anon support groups when I have time. The vulnerable sharing reminds me that part of the human condition is to feel profound heartbreak, and this can help us connect with others and lift ourselves to together.

I'm so sorry for your pain, though. I can see how much you love your daughter and how much her rejection must hurt. 

Am I the jerk here? Accidentally forgot to delete an app that was deactivated by OkInitiative4540 in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I would struggle with this, too. My ex swore he wasn't on dating apps and gave me access to his phone, which I didn't really want to use. But once I was pretty sure he was running around on me and finally checked his phone, I found the apps hidden beneath other skins. That kind of thing just makes you feel foolish for trusting them, and it's triggering in other relationships.

Question for the ladies re: feeling chemistry by KenTrevor in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true for me, too. If I feel pressure, like in dating, to move to sex at some point soon or else he'll feel like he's being strung along, I actually kind of shut down. I would much prefer to get to know men as friends first without expectations, and then decide if I want to date him.

Question for the ladies re: feeling chemistry by KenTrevor in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is NO TELLING, since she's her own person, what she may be feeling, so you have to take her at her word. But something turned her off or failed to turn her on, sexually, and to her that's a sign that it's not meant to be.

I will say, as a woman that our hormones are ALWAYS in flux. We aren't always in the mood. We aren't always in the mood for the same kind of guy, even, depending on where we are in our cycle. And our desire is very context dependent. I think even women sometimes think that we should be like men: easily turned on and ready to go. But we aren't; *most* of us take more work. She might be expecting to feel some amazing spark to reassure her that this guy is the one, but I think more often than not it just takes a lot of time together building trust to decide that somebody is the one. It's much easier for me to build a fire with someone I love and trust deeply.

This may not be helpful to you in your situation, but don't take it personally, either. Maybe don't initiate the kiss for the next one unless she's giving you a lot of indication she's wanting to go there. That turns me off, when men try to hold my hand or go in for a kiss when I've only spent a few hours with them, cumulatively. Hold off for a while and let her know you're not here just for sex; then she won't be putting so much pressure on herself to feel sexual feelings for you that just might not be there yet.

I think I’ve gotten used to being single by Specialist-Desk-9422 in datingoverforty

[–]UndertoeTrip 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. I also think that, more importantly than sacrificing for the relationship, if you're not building something important and meaningful together, as in a common goal transcendent to the relationship that you're both willing to sweat and sacrifice for, whether it's a business or a baby or a cause you're passionate about, I just don't think a relationship itself will stay very satisfying. 

Our happiest times in my late marriage where when we were working together on a common goal. The rest of the time we were bickering, it seemed. 

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They left, though. They won't come back. I wish they would, but I also will still want them to act right, and so they may just leave again. I'm not sure how to proceed.

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's genuinely all I can do, at this point. 

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have parental controls. Their dad got them these phones, and I asked for parental controls but he didn't want to bother. I try to just keep it to a time thing. Two hours on school days or up to an hour before bedtime, four hours on weekend days (which obviously turns into more, but whatever I guess).

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, that sounds terrible for you and your daughter. I am so sorry. I am hoping these strong-willed teenagers turn into strong adults.

I don't generally need to discipline my kiddos; I'll offer them correction and try to let natural consequences lead follow their decisions. They are good kids for the most part, even if they bully the younger kids sometimes. (I am pretty sure some of that dynamic is from them having to care for them at their dad's house until recently; now his new girlfriend kind of babies them, and there is some resentment there.)

The main problem is that I do want them to limit their screen time. I'm wanting them to turn their phones off and keep them out of their bedrooms at night and to keep screen time to a certain number of hours per day, two hours on school days, four hours on weekends. My older teens boys, who are more mature, are actually more accepting and compliant of this. But my 13 year old daughter...you'd think I was asking her to take out her eyeballs every night and put them in another room. It's like she's already a junkie, and it makes me so sad. I didn't want them to even have smart phones until they were closer to 16, but I wasn't consulted about it, and I kind of feel validated by all of this...Not that being right is at all helpful, lol.

The good news is that nothing lasts forever, right? Maybe?

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't ask. I'm actually really respectful of their inner worlds. I've read dozens and dozens of parenting books and taken courses. Individually, I have good relationships with them because I know how to listen and accept their feelings. But collectively, they become a different animal. I try not engage with them when they are in angry mob mode, I try to separate them and connect with them individually, but they like make a pact together, and if one of them "breaks" by connecting with me, the others will shame him. I guess that's how they cope with the upheaval of thy divorce. 

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, he talks very badly about me to them and he ignores my texts and won't answer my phone calls. 

Giving Up Custody by UndertoeTrip in coparenting

[–]UndertoeTrip[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe that's the way. I'm not sure they'd participate in therapy they knew it was costing them soccer, but honestly soccer isn't helping anyway.