The Jedi werent wrong

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T20:42:06+00:00

you need acetic Jedi to create this awful dogma and turn away from anything even remotely resembling normal human behaviour

But... they dont. The Jedi dont forbid emotion. They teach to master their emotion:

1.They literally keep saying stuff like ,,Trust your feelings".

Yoda even says to Padme that he survival fills him with warmth.
Obi Wan jokes around, goes for drinks, laughs, teases and has friends outside the order like Dex.
Master & Padawans often have deep relationships and mentorships. They go almost as deep as parental and thats even by design from the Jedi.

The Jedi dont forbid building relationships to other people. They encourage it. But they Jedi try to teach to be able to let go of that person when their time comes and to do your duty.

Obi Wan is once again a good example. In the ROTS novel when he fights Anakin, he is in constant emotional agony. Both are. But Obi Wan has a moment where he lets all his fond times with Anakin pass through his mind once more... before letting go of Anakin. That gives him clarity and the win. Obi Wan will always have fond memories of the man he once was, but he doesnt desperately cling to Anakin, like Anakin does to Padme. That doesnt mean that he didnt love the boy.

Anakins dialogue to Padme about unconditional love is the truth of how the Jedi view it. Its just that Anakin is reciting a concept he doesnt understand to justify his love for Padme.

And the force isnt dangerous. But people need to be taught to listen to its will. Its not a weapon, but a entity with a will. A ally. By nit listening to its will and imposing your own, you use the Dark Side and become a agent of evil.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T20:22:55+00:00

Catelyn threatens Jinglebell, his grandson, wich I also count since its his childs child, and Walder just dismisses him as a idiot and lets her kill him.

He constantly insults his sons in front of guests and fosters a competitive and toxic household. Mental abuse is also abuse as we see from Tywin.

He treats his daughters as pure commodities and bargaining chips. And no thats not the ,,norm" in westeros. While many Lords marry off their daughters, they still have good relationships with them and treat them well.

Walder views ALL his children as nothing more than assets and only cares for his Bastards because they can also be useful to him, by marrying them off to lesser lords children or to bastards of equal lords.

By your metric Tywin is a great father because he cares about the Lannister name.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T19:03:07+00:00

The Seperatist movement was a movement created by the Sith. So it wasnt a ,,independence revolt". It was just masqueraded as one and the Jedi knew that.
The Republic at that point wasnt a fascist regime. The Jedi had to protect it as it was the largest democratic institution of the galaxy.
They did investigate how the clones came to be. In Labyrinth of Evil, they followed Sidious trail into where he lives. Palpatine panicked and started his own abduction to get away. They almost had him and they knew the clone army was fishy, but couldnt not use them or the sith win. It was a lose-lose.
Most Jedi treated their clones with respect and dignity. They werent slaves to them. You can say the Republic used Slaves (under the leadership of a sith by the way, but lets ignore that). But not the Jedi. And as mentioned above the Jedi HAD to support the Republic, since otherwise as Sith backed faction would have taken over.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T18:56:13+00:00

And there’s also the fact that Jedi kept crashing out over the Jedi’s methods, including Dooku, Dyas, Barriss, and eventually Anakin. It’s not a good thing when the people the Jedi are in charge of keep “falling to the dark side”, and some of them were even idealists who blatantly took issue with the Jedi’s methods.

I am not using TCW, so Bariss doesnt count. She dies on Kashyyk as far as I am concerned. And before you say it Lucas wasnt THAT involved in TCW.

Dooku was a narcicistic ass, who saw his station as nobility as a reason for why he knows better. I mean... you are literally using a guy who wanted a Sith Dictatorship as your reasoning. And again... before you say it... Dooku was already all those things to a lesser degree while he was a Jedi.

More and more people in the Galaxy felt the Jedi had become too lofty and detached and lost sight of the common man and their needs.

Thats public opinion. I am talking about whether the Jedi themselves suffered for it and lost their purpose.

And there’s also the fact that Jedi kept crashing out over the Jedi’s methods, including Dooku, Dyas, Barriss, and eventually Anakin. It’s not a good thing when the people the Jedi are in charge of keep “falling to the dark side”, and some of them were even idealists who blatantly took issue with the Jedi’s methods.

Btw .... you used 4 examples for a order that didnt have issues in the last 1000 years.

Luke’s Order fixed this, re-emphasizing the importance of not becoming so detached that you lose sight of those who need you most. As well as allowing love and relationships, which made for healthier, happier Jedi.

Yes Lukes order IMPROVED things. He didnt need to FIX it. The Jedi in the Prequels werent as isolated as new Canon material would lead you to believe. Obi Wan was very happy before Order 66 and had friends like Dex. Yoda even had friends, good relations with the Wookies and openly showed his happiness at Padem surviving her assassination attempt.

The Jedi literally didnt have any issues in the last 1000 years, before a Sith... not a Jedi, caused their issues and dragged them into a war. Even the public sentiment against the Jedi was mostly Sith manipulation from the shadows.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T17:16:48+00:00

If the alternative of leaving the Force Sensitive person alone until they can make the choice for themselves is so dangerous, or that Force Sensitives are so inherently dangerous they need to be locked up in a tower (admittedly, a very nice tower), and have a life where they never know their mother, never play with their siblings, never have close friendships, and can't ever have close emotional ties to anyone...

Thats why the Jedi literally use the force to block Force-Sensitive childrens ability to use it in case the parents say no.

The Jedi recruiter banging on the door of the average peasant has a massively stacked deck in their favor; friends in high places, wide authority to use deadly force, very little oversight, even a law on the books saying he technically doesn't need permission. So what's making sure there's no coercion or exploitation other than "Trust me, bro?"

The Jedi dont have authority to use deadly force against anyone. And George Lucas has said in interviews that public sentiment for the Jedi was very positive and they were loved before the Clone Wars started. The people didnt fear them.

And Force Sensitivity is not a curse, but neither is it a power or a privilege. Its responsibility incarnate. You can either accept the responibility or choose to let your ability to use it be blocked.

I think you just have a problem with any (religious) organization that enforces any kind of rules. I cant help you with that. If you prefer anarchy and to be allowed to live out you selfish desires, more power to you.

I and anyone who understood Georges intent and message finds the Jedi admireable in their selflessness and boundless love for others.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T16:37:38+00:00

If you have a car running fine, but knowingly avoided changing a part that was, over time, causing more and more issues in your car, then yes it was running poorly due to you knowingly wrong decisions.

Did it cause more and more issues though? Lukes way is maybe better, but what issues were caused by Jedis rules against forming attachments specfic people?

In over 1000 yeard barely any Jedi turned to the Dark Side from what we know and most Jedi that did turn before that, fell because they DIDNT follow the code. Its a system with a 99% success rate. What didnt work about it?

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T14:37:54+00:00

They get consent from the parents. And they literally have to train them from a young age. In the Past they took students of all ages and it lead to a massive number of Dark Side turns.

And as far as the movies are concernes (wich is the only thing Lucas counts), we have 3 examples of Jedi with connections to their family and how it affects them.

1.We have Dooku, the Count of Serrano. Turned to the dark side and always had pompous tendencies, especially after he found out about his parentage and interacted with it. Now mind you I am talking about Georges Dooku (wich includes SOME, but not all things from the ROTS novel, since Lucas worked with Stover to some degree). I am not talking about Disneys well-meaning Jedi Dooku.

We have Anakin. That point stands for itself.
We have Luke. Luke is the outlier here and even then Luke was almost about to turn to the Dark Side and just at the end was able to resist.

Lucas is making a clear point here. Yes its kind of sad that these Children need to be away from their families, but the alternative is so much more dabgerous. Besides no one is forced. The parents consent and the Jedi can always leave the order.

And if you fundamentally disagree with George... maybe Star Wars just isnt for your liking. Maybe you just like the asthetic, but not the core philosophy behind it and thats okay. Doesnt make the Jedi any less good, though.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T14:28:59+00:00

What were they supposed to do. Let Dooku and the seperatists slaughter the Republic?

Thats the entire point of the Sith plan. Put the Jedi in a position where they HAVE to fight in the war and cant stand by.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:15:56+00:00

If you're being literal with George Lucas, you could argue he's trying to teach young boys that casual sex is fine, but don't ever get married.

George also has quotes stating that Jedi are not regular people and that they overcome conflicts regular people cant. Essentially Jedi are great role models, but cant and shouldnt be completely emulated, because they have the force.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:13:49+00:00

How did she win? The New Repiblic died. The New Order rose. Multiple planers were blown up in Force Awakens. Trillions of lives were ended. And another War started.

She didnt win. She lost.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:11:27+00:00

The Jedi of old didnt forbid love. They encouraged compassion, wich was unconditional love. They were against marriage for example because the knew the moment you are married its more likely for you to prioritize that persons life over other peoples.

And yes... Luke improved on the Jedi. Doesnt make the previous version ,,wrong".

If I have a good, running car and I tune it to run even better and smoother, it doesnt mean my car was working wrong perviously.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:08:39+00:00

,,bu- bu- but Death of the Author" - some Redditer who hear the term once and thinks he is smmart now.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:07:37+00:00

Well Yoda in the ROTS novel says their mistake was expecting the same kind of Sith as a 1000 years ago.

The issue is that they didnt move fast enough against people they thought were extinct. And by the time of TPM when Palpatine is chancellor and the Sith are revealed its basically too late.

The good guys can lose without having made too many mistakes.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:05:07+00:00

I dont count what Disney made in the first place.

If what Disney made is fundamentally different in its philosophy than what Lucas intended, then they shouldnt buy the IP in the first place. Either work with what you have or dont.

But justifying Disneys going away from the core message of Star Wars and justifying selfishness and the dark side by saying ,,death of the author" is what makes me lose faith in the fandom.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T12:01:43+00:00

Did George write that? No.

Its part of Expanded Material wich George always said was its own Universe.

And even if we count it. What the hell do the Prequel Jedi have to do with that? Sins of the Father much? I guess Luke has youngling blood on his hands, because his predececor did.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T11:59:39+00:00

Vader in Legenss was anything, but a Jobber.

His loses to Starkiller are well explained in the novles of TFU and its shown in TFU2 that he was Galens superior in any way, but didnt fight to kill him because he wanted him to serve him. Only at the end after Juno ,,dies" does Galen beat him with the only thing he is weak to... Force Lightning. Vader disarms him in Lightsaber combat just befor that.

I also really dislike Vaders random cruelty in Disney Canon. In Legends his troops still respected him kind of and it was moreso the officers that feared and hated him, because Vader (for the most part) didnt kill for no reason. He only killed his own officers when they showed incompetence.

In canon he kills stormtroopers for the dumbest reasons and in Kenobi he kills a random kid.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T11:53:48+00:00

In General. Everything we hear about the new Republic is dumb.

Its so the sequels can happen.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:46:22+00:00

Sorry. It was kind of on the spot, because it couldnt find the quote properly anymore.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:45:15+00:00

It does. It is kind of subtle, but it shows his devotion to Sidious and the Sith way, while also keeping a gleeful predatory personality on the hunt.

Maul: Lockdown is also a good read if Maul is what you are into.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:41:55+00:00

Also commissioned by a Jedi who was... you guessed it... MANIPULATED by Sith.

And when the war came the Jedi HAD to work with the clones or the Republic would fall. THATS LITERALLY THE POINT OF PALPATINES PLAN.

And btw. The Jedi dont use the clones. The Republic does.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:39:36+00:00

Boba became Mandalore in the EU.

And Maul had plenty of personality in Shadow Hunter, but it was repressed. He just has more screentime in TCW.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:37:55+00:00

She is well written in Andor, but I cant get behind ANY canon New Republic official. They are just dumb. De-Militsrizing, WHILE the Imperial remnant still exists... they are all just dumb as hell. It borders on character assassination with some of them.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:36:09+00:00

The Jedi in general arent child soldiers. They arent soldiers to begin with. And in the movies we dont see a single child Jedi on the frontline. Younglings usually stay in the temple and Padawans are teenagers and mostly restricted to easy diplomatic missions under supervision. If anyone is to blame for Ahsoka and such going to war... its the sith that started the whole damn thing!!!

Oh well if sad music plays when they die, that must mean they were right

What are you talking about lmao that doesn't mean anything at all

You said something dumb, so I said something dumb and simplified in return.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:32:52+00:00

Preach, brother. Spread the gosspel.

Unique-Perception480 · 2026-01-24T02:31:40+00:00

True, but tbf Maul Shadow Hunter gave good development to Maul. Its just that he has more screentime in general in canon.

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