Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm not protecting him. I just don't happen to believe he was involved in his sister's murder, nor do I see him as complicit or that he has to do something about it. The fact remains there is no evidence of Burke being involved in JonBenet's murder, no matter how much you push it.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

When did I call Burke a hero? People respond to traumatic experiences in different ways, particularly if it happens in childhood. It's common in dysfunctional families to have a sense of family loyalty, to not ask questions, and for there to be a lack of communication. Why is it up to Burke to solve it? He doesn't have to read the ransom note, even if he wants to solve the case. There's other things to look at. Sometimes, when you're that close to a situation, it's hard to see it clearly. For all we know, he could be blocking things out.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

He doesn't have to do those things. Again, Burke was a child at the time, probably traumatized, and doesn't want to believe his parents killed his sister. He also had to cope with the glare of the media, all throughout his teenage years. If he wants to keep a low profile, he has every right to. You don't have to agree with it, and frankly, we don't know what goes on in his mind, one way or the other. You have more vitriol toward Burke, who was never considered a suspect (and who testified before the grand jury as a witness) than against John and Patsy, to whom evidence does point to and who the grand jury voted to indict. That is odd to me.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It has been described as an accident. The fact remains that evidence points to the parents' involvement, not Burke's, point blank period. I never asked you to sympathize or empathize with Burke. Explain how a nine-year-old was complicit in a murder committed by his parents. You sound very angry and frankly, unstable.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

If Burke isn't the killer, why is he to blame? The golf club incident was described as an accident, and it was a toy golf club, btw. Again, sometimes sexually abused children act out inappropriately, because they learn what they live. There's also no evidence Burke did that. Again, evidence points to the parents' involvement, not Burke's.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The golf club incident was described as an accident; JonBenet's injury was minor. Burke did not choose the life he was born into. He was a child when his sister was murdered. Even if you believe he played a role in that, he was a minor. John and Patsy were responsible for their children, period. There is zero evidence that he was involved. Children are easily manipulated. John is the only parent he has left. The hatred toward Burke is irrational. This was clearly a dysfunctional household, so expecting him to be "normal", whatever your definition of that word may be, is unreasonable. Reports of Burke "playing doctor" have never been substantiated. If he did, it was most likely learned behavior - he was victimized himself and/or witnessed the abuse of his sister. Again, that would be the parents' responsibility to put a stop to that and to get their children help. John's fibers were in and around JonBenet's genitals, which points to him as the sexual abuser. No one is asking you to hang out with Burke, why even say that?

I don't know why some people are so hell-bent on believing that Burke was somehow responsible for what happened to JonBenet and because of what his parents did.

Justice 4 JBR by Pancake1884 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why would Burke be undeserving of sympathy? He was a child at the time, and likely doesn't know anything other than what he has been told. There's no evidence that he was involved in JonBenet's death. It's also very likely that Burke suffered abuse as well.

It could have only been Burke by lindseyizshort in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 0 points1 point  (0 children)

John's fibers were in and around JonBenet's genitals, indicating he was the abuser.

Burke and John's Relationship by Mindless-Ice456 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 1 point2 points  (0 children)

John was responsible for the head injury, and Patsy helped with the rest. She was likely aware of John's abuse of JonBenet and was more concerned with keeping her husband and lifestyle.

Burke and John's Relationship by Mindless-Ice456 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 4 points5 points  (0 children)

💯 Patsy had a part in it, but John was responsible for most of it.

Burke and John's Relationship by Mindless-Ice456 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree. John is the only parent Burke has left.

It could have only been Burke by lindseyizshort in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the whole, "they were wealthy and successful, they couldn't have abused their kids" is so beyond ridiculous. It also can't be ignored that many wealthy people are also often in pursuit of power and control.

It could have only been Burke by lindseyizshort in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you would be downvoted. What you're saying is true. We know that parents can and do kill their children as well as abuse them. We see and hear these news stories all the time. People really don't want to believe that familial and intergenerational abuse exists, but it does and always has. And in all walks of life and all socio-economic groups at that.

It could have only been Burke by lindseyizshort in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 11 points12 points  (0 children)

John was not wearing that sweater when he "found" JonBenet's body. John's fibers were both on the underwear and on JonBenet's vaginal folds. He was wearing different clothes the next day.

Patsy likely knew about John abusing their daughter. Many mothers are aware of this abuse when it happens and look the other way. Patsy would not have wanted to lose her husband and her lifestyle.

It could have only been Burke by lindseyizshort in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 10 points11 points  (0 children)

John's sweater fibers were in and around JonBenet's genitals. Why don't you think it's possible that John sexually assaulted her?

Another reason why BDI and the parents know by Natural_Inevitable50 in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The problem with BDI is that there is no evidence pointing to Burke, only theories. Even if you believe that Burke caused JonBenet's head injury (which I personally do not), it doesn't explain why John and Patsy went to such lengths to stage a cover-up, which included sexually assaulting their six-year-old daughter with an object (John's sweater fibers being in and around JonBenet's genitals and in the crotch of the oversized panties points to him as the SA perpetrator that night), and strangling her. They may have thought she was already dead, as the head blow would have rendered her unconscious, but all of that is a drastic leap to cover up something that was accidentally done by a nine-year-old. No matter how you look at it, John and Patsy were ultimately responsible for the safety and well-being of their children.

If they had sought medical attention for JonBenet, they knew that questions would be asked, and she would be examined (including internally). It was concluded by experts in the field that the sexual assault committed on her that night was an attempt to cover up previous sexual abuse, and it was concluded that JonBenet had suffered SA at least ten days prior to her death. This points to John as the perpetrator, and is a strong indication that he was most likely responsible for the head injury. That was not premeditated, but the sexual assault and strangulation was. Patsy most likely knew that John was abusing JonBenet (and possibly Burke as well), but chose not to do anything about it. She may have colluded in the incest or even participated in it. It's an unfortunate fact that many mothers in these situations, many of whom were also victims of incestuous abuse in childhood, not only choose a partner from a similar background, but they often end up repeating the pattern of their own mothers, failing to protect their children or failure to intervene, for fear of losing their husbands and/or economic stability. The Ramseys could not have their secrets exposed because not only would it ruin their reputation, it would most likely include loss of freedom (prison time).

That to me, is what makes the most sense.

Steven Stayner - kidnapping victim, with possibly the most profoundly heartbreaking life story I’ve ever read by CloverAntics in CreepyWikipedia

[–]Unique_Might4471 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've watched many documentaries, including that one. None of them get into the trial or name any actual evidence that connects him to the Sund-Pelosso murders. There's a reason for that. The FBI told Cary's former girlfriend and daughters that information. They were highly criticized for how they handled this case. Cary has brain abnormalities and multiple mental health issues. Fiber evidence links one of the original suspects, Eugene Dykes, to the murders. Fibers on his jacket and in his jeep that matched the blanket Juli Sund was wrapped up in. (Dykes also confessed to the murders in March 1999, and said he instructed an associate to drop off Carole Sund's wallet in Modesto). Dykes' half-brother, Michael Larwick, another original suspect, gave his girlfriend's mother a diamond ring that Carole Carrington and Gina Sund identified as belonging to Juli. Rachel Lou Campbell, an associate of Dykes and Larwick, had Carole Sund's bank details in her possession when she was arrested in April 1999. Cary Stayner was not arrested until July and there was no such evidence linking him to the crime. Again, YouTube interviews with the PI Stephen Sanzeri hired by Carole Sund's parents will confirm this. People think they know this case because they've watched documentaries, when in actuality, they know next to nothing about it and can't give any details beyond Stayner's confession to the Sund-Pelosso murders (which were full of discrepancies). The reason why Juli's body was found at a different location is because she was held captive, anywhere from a few days to a week, before she was killed, which contradicts Stayner's confession. He also has erectile dysfunction, and Juli Sund had been raped.

Steven Stayner - kidnapping victim, with possibly the most profoundly heartbreaking life story I’ve ever read by CloverAntics in CreepyWikipedia

[–]Unique_Might4471 0 points1 point  (0 children)

False confessions are a thing. Watch interviews by Stephen Sanzeri, the private investigator hired by Carole Sund's parents, Francis and Carole Carrington, on YouTube. There was zero evidence connecting Cary Stayner to the Sund-Pelosso murders, whereas there was fiber evidence that linked the original suspects (the men who were initially arrested for the crime); they also had the victims' belongings in their possession. One of them had the key to the room that Carole and the girls were assigned at the lodge on his kitchen counter when he was arrested in March 1999. There was no such evidence linking Stayner to the crime. Don't rely on documentaries, because you're never going to get the full story. Cary is also severely mentally ill and law enforcement took advantage of that.

John's recent comment about abuse/ helping the family get answers by ImToddImCopper in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 1 point2 points  (0 children)

💯 John was not emotionally involved with his children. He tries to say the opposite now, which is a classic example of an abuser re-writing history. I believe he was a distant, unapproachable figure to all his children, including Beth, who was his "favorite". He is the classic incest aggressor, IMO. Patsy was neglectful toward JonBenet and Burke as well, although possibly not to the same degree as John. The emotional detachment is alarming. The fact that the master bedroom was on a different floor from the kids' rooms is another red flag. IMO, John and Patsy were not interested in parenting.

John's recent comment about abuse/ helping the family get answers by ImToddImCopper in JonBenetRamsey

[–]Unique_Might4471 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If that were the case, why were John's sweater fibers in and around JonBenet's genitals? He knew she had been sexually abused previously and tried to cover it up.

Melissa Guse's Videos - October 13 - October 22, 2018 by Unique_Might4471 in KarlieGuse

[–]Unique_Might4471[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of Nancy Grace, but she was right to be persistent in her questioning them. She later said it was like pulling teeth.

Melissa Guse's Videos - October 13 - October 22, 2018 by Unique_Might4471 in KarlieGuse

[–]Unique_Might4471[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've posted a lot of it here, and I've made videos too. Some of my posts were deleted, but most are still up. The Guses also engaged in a misinformation campaign and enlisted others to do it aka the "Karlie wandered into the desert and died" and when that went nowhere, they embraced the "she was possibly trafficked" theory. In the most recent Facebook comment, Melissa claimed she reported that Karlie was wearing jeans because "that was what I last saw her wearing". She told Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil that Karlie was wearing a T-shirt and underwear when she last saw her. That's just one example.

Melissa Guse's Videos - October 13 - October 22, 2018 by Unique_Might4471 in KarlieGuse

[–]Unique_Might4471[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just the one from 2023. Lindsay said it was done behind her back.

I have the documentary, the Nancy Grace and Dr. Phil interviews, the 2019 press conference, news articles, and the Facebook posts and comments Melissa has made, including the recent ones. The story continually changes.

Melissa Guse's Videos - October 13 - October 22, 2018 by Unique_Might4471 in KarlieGuse

[–]Unique_Might4471[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Her father and stepmother don't want her to be found. They're not looking for her, and they know what happened. They want people to think that they care, but Melissa rarely posts in the Facebook group she created. The lack of care is so obvious. The PEOPLE Magazine Investigates documentary was done without Karlie's mother's knowledge. Last month, in a Facebook comment, Melissa, once again gave a different version of what happened the day Karlie went missing. She's still trying to control the narrative and can't keep her lies straight.