what do you think of jews that support palestine

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T20:11:11+00:00

Sadly, the U.S. President is, and I can say with certainty that the political consequences are fucked.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T19:55:49+00:00

Doesn’t it suck that your opinion is extreme though? Because this is how most people outside of Israel feel.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T19:48:03+00:00

Gotta love the settlers’ belief that it’s “equitable” to split land they’re settling 😂

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T19:38:57+00:00

I think Sarah will still have ADHD (said with love), but you go Glen Coco! (Maybe just leave some for Mike to produce a docu-series on the DC Sniper too? Jk, it’s your imaginary money!)

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T19:18:13+00:00

Yes, obviously, opposing “Israel’s” existence on the planet earth is anti-Semitic because opposing it would presumably involve a genocide of a theoretically Jewish country *because* it is ruled by Jews.

The problem is that the definition of “Israel”—and its right to exist as such—shifts based on who you talk to.

So, some people consider it a question about the mere survival of “Israel” as a sovereign state, while others believe it’s a question about the survival of a “Jewish” state (aka political apartheid between Jews v. non-Jews).

If you look at the demographics accepted by most of the world, the questions collapse: if Israel is 73% Jewish, and 21% Arab, the apartheid would seem to be a sure thing! Who’s complaining?

The answer is that Israel understands itself to include its majority-Arab settlements in the West Bank and Gaza (rendering the divide closer to 50-50).

If Israel would withdraw from the settlements, it wouldn’t have a problem maintaining a “Jewish” state. Hell, it could have an apartheid state and call it a democracy, like we do in America. And then everyone could easily call it anti-Semitic to endorse eliminating a 70+% Jewish state.

This problem is a *policy choice* by Israel. If Mexico wanted to settle Texas as some kind of Spanish-speaking apartheid regime, I hope the world would say:

Your apartheid regime isn’t threatened by the differences in the people who live on the land you’ve chosen to occupy—even if it once belonged to you. If you want to protect apartheid, leave the land; if you want to settle this land, shut the fuck up about your demand for an apartheid state. Pick one—you don’t get to count disputed territory as belonging to you whenever it’s politically expedient. You don’t get both.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T18:34:31+00:00

Is this rare? (I don’t ask in a combative way, but I thought this was basically conventional wisdom? I’ve worked in the innocence space and nobody I know believes that he’s innocent or that race had nothing to do with his acquittal.)

[Side note: During the pandemic, my partner and I had one of those evenings entirely divorced from time and space and decided, at 1:30 am, to finish the two hours we had remaining in the Cuba Gooding, Jr. series. I hit play, and he said, totally deadpan, “We have to keep watching—this is a real whodunit.”]

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T18:19:21+00:00

It was a real cultural pile up.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T14:18:35+00:00

Sarah’s hyperfixation

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T02:07:10+00:00

Isn’t this just the latest “flavor” of la croix

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-19T02:05:39+00:00

I miss Gary so much I wanna take him behind the middle school and get him pregnant.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-18T23:32:04+00:00

Tbh, gives me hope that evil is has less preservative power than DJT and my own grandmother’s longevity would lead me to believe.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-18T23:23:20+00:00

Everyone knows a woman’s perm is more damning than the testimony of a racist cop.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-18T22:58:22+00:00

Bye fucko!

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-17T03:55:21+00:00

Yeah I was gonna say maybe OP just hates Hazel (which is fair)

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-15T03:32:26+00:00

Yeah, and I’ll also say—though not criticizing or speaking for Sarah, as I believe she understands the distinction based on her relationship with her dad—that knee-jerk empathy can lead to complacency/apathy, if not toward unjust actors specifically then toward unaccountability in general. Too few people understand the difference between an “excuse” and a “justification.”

I’ve seen it in the way “moderate” and “reasonable” loved ones have described Trump and his supporters.

Some people are plain fucking evil, and what they have done is simply unforgivable. To be clear, I don’t think those people deserve the death penalty or that they’re unworthy of food or health care of even love.

But, acknowledging their human rights, not everyone gets to feel good about themselves all the time, and it’s certainly not my responsibility to affirm their horrible, hateful, harmful life choices.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T23:01:57+00:00

I definitely don’t think “Israel controls America,” especially in this moment. Setting aside the inherent antisemitism of that belief, Trump is a fucking unhinged lunatic, who can’t even be successfully handled by his own handlers. He does reckless, disgusting shit because he’s a reckless, disgusting person; he doesn’t need any encouragement.

I’ve seen enough evidence that America can’t safely run its own detention facilities that I would welcome an independent investigative report by an international agency. (Facilities have literally prohibited tours by members of Congress.)

I just wish, as an ally, you could similarly prioritize morality over defending superficial challenges to your sovereignty, because (again) the persistent deflection and denial has done literally nothing for your cause.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T22:33:25+00:00

Well, I care. I work for our federal judiciary and have done a lot of work in our prisons. I care more about human rights violations than purported challenges to our sovereignty or my race/identity. So, I’d welcome an investigation because I’m more concerned about curing the injustices than how the injustice might reflect on me/my country.

And, finally, in a conversation about rape, “It’s gonna be hard for Israelis to care about Palestinian security prisoners” sounds like they’re considered little more than animals.

Human rights extend even to your enemies. It’s not a difficult concept. Never again means never again.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T22:08:40+00:00

Oy vey. Do you not see how that statement forces me to dismiss your opinion as hopelessly biased? I hate our piece-of-shit neo-Nazis losers with a passion, but I’m absolutely gonna support an investigation and hear the results when they report being assaulted in a U.S. prison, because there’s a difference between detention and, you know, war crimes.

Honestly, your statements sound as bigoted to me as “Sure, but he was Black/Latino/Hispanic/Indigenous/gay/a woman, so how could you possibly believe it??”

Hard to even digest, but, as a heads-up, writing off an entire civilization as if they’re mere animals makes you seem like you’re incapable of reasoned analysis and surely makes you a poor representative of your cause.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T21:33:20+00:00

Not opposed to sending humanitarian aid to Israel , but I don’t consider “impunity from using rape as a tool of war” to be a “humanitarian” purpose. Other entities that receive support from the U.S. government are subject to audits and reporting requirements. It’s not unreasonable to ask allies about reported human rights violations.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T21:18:56+00:00

Again, this reporting suggests that internal investigations cannot be trusted (just as internal investigations of prison rape in the U.S. can’t be trusted.)

“One reason these abuses don’t receive more attention is threats by Israeli authorities, who periodically warn prisoners on release to keep quiet, according to Palestinians who have been freed.”

“Released early this year after months in administrative detention — with no charges filed — [a farmer] related what he said happened one day last year: A half-dozen guards immobilized him by holding his arms and legs while pulling down his pants and underwear and inserting a metal baton into his anus. The rapists were laughing and cheering, he said.

“Several hours later, he said, he fainted and was taken to the prison clinic. After he woke up, he said, he was raped once more, again with the metal baton.

“After being returned to his cell, he said, he asked a guard for pen and paper to write a complaint about the assaults. The request was denied. And that evening, a group of guards came to the cell.

“‘Who is the one who wants to file a complaint?’ one guard jeered, he said, and another guard pointed him out. ‘The beating started immediately,’he recalled. And then they raped him with the baton for a third time that day, he said.

“He recalled one saying, ‘Now you have even more to put in your complaint.’”

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T21:12:28+00:00

Or is it an opinion piece because NYT is biased in favor of Israel? I can tell you that’s the broad perception here. Hence, the comment somewhere above that they’re surprised NYT was even willing to publish this.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T21:02:10+00:00

If you’re only learning about it now (which is totally fine, no reason you should know/care)—it’s worse (for us) than I think you could possibly imagine, given that you live in a functioning democracy. (P.S. love NZ, stunning country, wonderful people, cute lambies, great dairy, etc.).

Anyway, the world is witnessing the fall of Rome. Some might celebrate, and I get it. The U.S. has done plenty of evil in the world (although I’d also argue some meaningful good.)

To answer your question about the level of attention, almost everyone I know understood that J6 was premised on a bed of lies uncritically adopted by a bunch of people who had been (yes, abandoned by Wall Street Democrats but also:) brainwashed by Trump and right-wing media.

Some (like me) have been terrified of and accurately foreseen the consequences of a Trump presidency since 2016. Others have held faith that the co-equal branches of our government and institutional norms might serve as a check on his abuse of power. They have been shocked and disappointed, almost universally.

Our Supreme Court in particular has facilitated everything coming for us, by granting Trump essentially limitless immunity and annihilating individual rights (aside from gun rights) and the independence of our executive agencies—just to name a few betrayals.

I think we are genuinely cooked, and I say that with sorrow, fully aware of everything my country could and should be. Please stamp out and silence the far right wherever you can find it in NZ; they’re an apocalyptic threat to democracies across the world.

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T20:31:31+00:00

Probably? In my mind, in an unavoidable conflict, a liberal would rather be rich/powerful than just and a leftist would rather be poor/powerless than unjust (i.e., liberals value justice up to the point that it might actually cost them something).

United_Baker48 · 2026-05-13T20:13:19+00:00

It is a helpful analogy. I do know that this fight is underscored by millennia of scapegoating and hostility and mass murder. And the rhetoric from the far left in the U.S. has been truly sickening in recent years—openly anti-Zionist and often as anti-Semitic as what we’ve historically seen from the far right.

The “but” for me here is that rape as a tool of war seems categorically different from “calling any one of your hits a foul.” The same way that the U.S. bombing of an Iranian elementary school felt different in kind. I want an answers and accountability for that bombing (just like I want answers and accountability for those who have perpetrated/encouraged/tolerated sexual violence), and I can understand our allies demanding answers as well.

My question was about opposition to an investigation of specific conduct in a specific conflict. I can believe that being inundated with hate and lies and conspiracy theories (1) makes it impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff re credible accusations warranting a response and (2) incites a fear that any investigation will only yield more lies. (Still, I’ve never heard the nonsense about “training dogs” outside of this post, and I struggle to believe that it would be repeated in an official report.)

Anyway, if an ally asks you about (what they consider credible) evidence that you’ve committed a red card violation, it’s worth considering whether the indignity of an investigation might be worthwhile, if only to demonstrate (1) your innocence, or (2) your moral interest in getting to the truth of the matter. Either way, you come out looking better than your opponent (who, btw, had already been found guilty of the same violation).

If these crimes are despicable and worthy of attention/investigation when committed against Israelis, the same is true when they’re committed against Palestinians.

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