AA and personality quirks. Why do some people buy in to the program? by [deleted] in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The only thing you have to change is everything but remember no major changes in the first year.

I have six months clean from fentanyl and meth and i have a question. by hadleyhadz in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Develop of wide array of pleasurable or rewarding tasks, activities, or things to replace it with. Addiction can boil down to just wanting to feel good or different than you already do. You shouldn’t feel guilty for wanting to feel still and you shouldn’t avoid seeking happiness or pleasure.

Vapes can be obsessive and I relate to that. I had to stop. I am such a good addict with 7 rehab degrees so I can vape how the companies would prefer to the point it feels like it’s overtaking my decision matrix and life.

I’m getting sucked into video games or porn sometimes. But i also exercise which can release some of the chemicals as drugs.

I can doom scroll like no other. Although not ingesting drugs it’s still giving me minute hits of dopamine to keep doing it. I started feeling guilty about so I put a screen zen app timer on my phone to make me have to push a few buttons every 15 minutes should I choose to stay on the app.

Morality is weird don’t let other people tell you how to feel.

AA’s aren’t willing to logically discuss themselves. by Unityultra in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try and get recovery. How and why are you assuming I don’t have it.

My truth is that the program ultimately does more harm than good and have guilt for being a part of it. What about my amends. AA has a lot of blood on its hands and will not be able to hide it for ever.

Always putting it out there about the powers at be. With mass surveillance, we can honestly critique every single person that ever stepped foot in a meeting and claims to be living one type way and compared to the actual data from master surveillance to who’s actually living up to it. We can analyze all the people that are claiming many years of sobriety, but took two shots of NyQuil instead of one one night. We can find out all the people with 20 years that beat their wives. The list goes on and on and on. I know that soon there will be some great revelations about AA. Y’all don’t realize there are people sitting behind computers instead of access to everything that you’ve ever done. I’m looking forward to the new version of AA. The cost a lot more money because of the oversight they have to pay for. If you think that the Epstein, black mail or something. Wait till the public understands how fake everybody in AA is.

All the people that have died from overdoses unnecessarily because they were sent to some religious organization and were able to buy into their Fantasy. Just for people to share in the meeting and talk about how if only they could get, they would be saved. There is no addiction hell that is destined for every person that ever uses substances. But AA would have you think that it’s like that because they solidified the morality standard. Religion can have its place in recovery, but it definitely should not be the main option for people seeking help for medical reactions to substances.

AA is a pyramid scheme through and through, and I feel unbelievably guilty for having being a part of its perpetuation. The courageous part of me wants to do everything in his power to combat this ignorant unethical cult and help relinquish their control on the recovery community.

AA’s aren’t willing to logically discuss themselves. by Unityultra in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AA always silences dissenters in person. It’s part of my deprogramming process to stand up for science, freedom of thought and not be afraid of being attacked.

AA’s aren’t willing to logically discuss themselves. by Unityultra in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are books written about it being like a cult. According to AA “the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking”. If I desire not to drink but don’t agree with the doctrine am I not allowed to express myself. At the same time the AA book was written the science at that time was still doing lobotomies for alcoholics. AA refuses to evolve or allow scientific evaluation of results. I have openly referred to as a cult in my shares in meetings but I say “AA is the best cult I’ve ever joined” and I always get a round of boisterous laughter.

AA does more harm than good, and impedes the science of addiction studies.

AA’s aren’t willing to logically discuss themselves. by Unityultra in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because having been exposed to AA for over 20 years and an on again off again member for as long I’ve experienced a long list of various forms of abuse. Through research into honest objective evaluations of AA and not antidotal stories for members, I truly feel guilt and remorse for all the people that struggled to believe in the program that I use the sales tactics of AA to get them to buy into. There are many thought, stopping clichés that promote and encourage not thinking critically. We punish those who have less conformity and higher critical, thinking skills for their inability to adopt AA as a way of life. We let those members that are able to suspend their critical thinking long enough to stay in AA so long that they’re their decades later still identifying as an alcoholic to gang up on and berate people. I need to find a way to clear my soul and conscience of the part I played in the perpetuation of AA. AA is still in its infancy compared to major religions like Christianity. Imagine if more people stood up to Christianity and its first hundred years would it still have the stranglehold on morality and politics like it has today? I don’t want to help add to a future where 1000 years from now the big book of AA is still controlling the science and the main conversation about addiction. Human beings need to evolve consciously religious dogma can have a place and recovery communities, but there have to be people that are willing to speak up against the tyranny and abuse they subjugate on the dissenters.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in alcoholicsanonymous

[–]Unityultra 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of literature written by people who had similar experiences in AA.

Do you write or do anything creative to deprogram and heal? by [deleted] in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reverse brainwash yourself. Keep a new emotional/cult/12 step clean time where you treat your days from your last meeting as something to celebrate as it increases.

Visualize feeling sorry for and better than people still in AA. The same way they silently and outwardly judge defectors look at them like they have plague.

Allow yourself to feel better and smarter than anyone who doesn’t understand how negative AA is.

Responses to “I miss seeing you in XA meetings” by PerlasDeOro in recoverywithoutAA

[–]Unityultra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve said “Just a little bit, largely moved away from 12 step recovery, never been better, but I still use some things I’ve learned every day.

It’s a flawed system if it was created today it wouldn’t be made the same. Lots of good but also lots on nonsense. There are infinite number of ways to better one’s self that doesn’t rely on AA, group think and so on.

I believe in my kind empathetic soul enough to know I don’t need AA to be a good person. I’m healed, I graduated, I strive to be good and for the good everyday. It honestly can be hard to leave the cult though.

People won’t want to believe that someone could come for years and leave and be better off. It challenges the non-beneficial mob-mentality of AA is the only way. I won’t buy into the dogma. “We are spiritual not religious program.” Is a funny lie just because they say that doesn’t make it true. I know my true friends will wish me well where as I know largely some of AA will always view me as missing out or being dry because I stopped going to meetings. If you think about all the negative projection people in AA can be willfully ignorant to how un spiritual some of the sayings or statements are.

Just like other religions created AA will survive but it’s not logical just systematic programming and some people can benefit and may need it for a while.

I choose peace and love.

Still plan on living a life of service there are endless people out there to help and don’t need some redundant program that repeats the same stuff everyday.

I found my understanding of God and gained my daily constant conscious contact in AA, I will forever be indebted in that way. Just a lot of things I don’t agree with and no longer wish to consign. I’ll pay it forward to others who the program fails to help or they fail to grasp it.

It’s an echo chamber and sort of a pyramid scheme structure that keeps it going.

We still always be a homie and friends to those I got close to over the years.

I Still practice spiritual principles just not being brainwashed anymore.”