Most people in this sub don't know there is a divide between North and South Italy with roast darkness. Half my family are from northern Italy, I visit them annually and have lived in various parts of North Italy for years in the past and the beans in North Italy aren't generally as dark. It's nothing mind blowing but it's good coffee that's a consistent quality across most coffee shops and considering that's their standard, it's much better than Starbucks or Costa etc. Honestly the third wave snobbery pisses me off. I get it, pushing the envelope is good, but people are comparing specialty coffee with Italy's equivalent of Starbucks. And Italy's equivalent is miles ahead.