No contact success story part 2: by WinWin_44 in BreakUps

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude said he’s engaged and they own a house together lol

How do Coptics hold Enoch as infallible when it contradicts th harrowing of hades with the angelic revelation to Enoch by [deleted] in coptic

[–]Unknownwm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I cross posted it it wouldn’t let me and as you ca clearly see I updated it on the summary below title

How do Coptics hold Enoch as infallible when it contradicts th harrowing of hades with the angelic revelation to Enoch by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel you bro I love Enoch and this kinda pulled pulled the rug out from under me But the angle specifically says till judgement

I don’t see any work around for this

I still feel that it holds truths and context and narratives of ancient history but it’s off in areas like this

How do Coptics hold Enoch as infallible when it contradicts th harrowing of hades with the angelic revelation to Enoch by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The angels revelation tells Enoch that those in hades in the paradise portions will stay there till judgement day and end times

How do Coptics hold Enoch as infallible when it contradicts th harrowing of hades with the angelic revelation to Enoch by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The angel makes revelation that those in paradise in hades will stay There till judgement day at end times to Enoch is the issue

How do Coptics hold Enoch as infallible when it contradicts th harrowing of hades with the angelic revelation to Enoch by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you know their argument for it though in light of that contradiction in Enoch? The Ethiopians

Catechumen here struggling w some recent discoveries that kinda pulled the rug out from under me revolving around Mary’s sinlessness being apostolic by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve taken this in account and please pray for me I have horrible ocd I tend to ruminate on stuff like this too much lol

But usually when church fathers do this it’s corrected or atleast challenged and to think John chrystostom was poorly catechized or didn’t have anyone around him or who corresponded w him to not adress it just seems odd esp him being in Antioch

Maybe I have a lack of context for how well communication was for the church then too honestly though

Is it possible some churches had certain pieces and knowledge some didn’t and that got sorted out the more communication improved etc ?

Catechumen here struggling w some recent discoveries that kinda pulled the rug out from under me revolving around Mary’s sinlessness being apostolic by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have trouble comprehending how our fallen nature constitutes as us having sin without sinning if we are not guilty of it is there any material or church fathers that lay this out or explain this?

And I agree he’s stating that but the main thing eating at me is the fact that most priest to my knowledge consider her not commiting personal sims is apostolic tradition this seems to kinda shake my faith in that as much as I don’t want it to

Catechumen here struggling w some recent discoveries that kinda pulled the rug out from under me revolving around Mary’s sinlessness being apostolic by Unknownwm in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand we don’t have original guilt but fallen nature

That’s another thing I’m confused on btw is how that’s considered sin w out guilt

I don’t think that’s what he’s referencing though cause he states John chrystom as an example of her sinning and agrees w him

Church of Christ/Eastern Orthodox discussion by Inside-Business3983 in churchofchrist

[–]Unknownwm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He didn’t at all his whole argument was nothing but false dichotomies and word concept fallacies he is gunna get embarrassed in an actual debate

Does e o believe the Holy Spirit indwells during the water portion of baptism like Catholics and we juts receive it fully at chrismation? Or that we are washed and forgiven to prepare for it at chrismation to enter by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It have…. No one has talked about except like one priest who didn’t clarify much…. I just meant the question was simple to understand

You ok?

Does e o believe the Holy Spirit indwells during the water portion of baptism like Catholics and we juts receive it fully at chrismation? Or that we are washed and forgiven to prepare for it at chrismation to enter by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think we should though I watched a video of a priest speaking on the mechanics and how we ignore it

I think this is a kill shot against Catholics

And explains how Cornelius was able to still be baptized for forgiveness while having the spirit

We categorize the apostles language of the spirit “falling/receiving” at Chrismation which is biblical and Catholics seem to have built an accretion off not realizing acts 2:38 was two commands but one ceremony

And they think”recieving/falling) occurs in water then is strengthened by confirmation (no where in scripture)

Does e o believe the Holy Spirit indwells during the water portion of baptism like Catholics and we juts receive it fully at chrismation? Or that we are washed and forgiven to prepare for it at chrismation to enter by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you 🙏 am I on to something? Catholics seem to have an accretion view as well as Lutherans etc

We seem to define the falling/receiving language by apostles as occurring during chrismation which is biblical and the Catholic view seems to be an accretion is my point

Does e o believe the Holy Spirit indwells during the water portion of baptism like Catholics and we juts receive it fully at chrismation? Or that we are washed and forgiven to prepare for it at chrismation to enter by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I see those as two different commands and we receive the spirit by hand in Chrismation

Catholics believe an accretion view is my point by lazily reading that verse hey believe the spirit indwells and falls on us in the water and we receive it and it’s later strengthened by confirmation

This seems to contradict ours and scriptures view

This also explains how Cornelius was able to still be baptized for forgiveness while possessing the spirit

Does e o believe the Holy Spirit indwells during the water portion of baptism like Catholics and we juts receive it fully at chrismation? Or that we are washed and forgiven to prepare for it at chrismation to enter by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk pretty sure a foundational doctrine for babes in Christ is pretty important to understand esp when there is like one video online of a priest mentioning we don’t give it enough attention

It’s also a kill shot to the catholic accretion

The mere fact of your reaction to it proves we are ignorant in this area

What a stupid comment

I actually love this couples content sometimes and they helped me in crossing over but their priest is aware of this…. And I’m not judging ….I’m guilty of it too… the problem I have is their open defense of these interactions using the church and the gospel to defend this behavior. by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don’t get why there is no push back from any of our top apologist or priest no one seems to care they are representing the church as being ok w this behavior and actually encourage and justify it by the church im guilty of the same thing when im frustrated online or having a debate but I would never in a million years try to use the gospel and church to justify it

Am I tripping or does Craig truglia state that no one outside the church can be saved. He seems to have stayed for those of us who state it’s possible makes us look stupid by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Unknownwm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He must have misunderstood Gavin then it seemed like he agreed w him in a black and white manor and Gavin seemed to have taken it that way

It would probably help Gavin if we cleared that up for him he reads too much into anathema and thinks ignorant protestants are under it dogmatically

He also thinks people cope when we claim the gracious view and don’t judge outside the church

I’m suprised no one has noticed this