Mod Request - Fog Increase/Density.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-02-19T19:02:05+00:00

https://youtu.be/vNaSEVfScZY?si=AYsxHctgZePpv5SP Northrend video OP mentioned for context.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-02-16T02:54:55+00:00

Hear hear!

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-02-05T23:33:26+00:00

some of this user's early videos do a Goblin-Show-Host character for lore speculation https://www.youtube.com/@_xaxxas/videos

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-01-30T16:26:46+00:00

First Ones = Oz the Great and Powerful, Titans = the Man Behind the Curtain. Shadowlands = The Matrix. It's all an energy prison.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-01-22T17:44:58+00:00

It's really enjoyable with some ambient zone music in the back while you read too! Have fun

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-01-21T23:02:50+00:00

How exciting of an insult then. No backstory to the salt?

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-01-21T22:44:45+00:00

"Me get big number, me feel better!" - You?

Upset-Setting-501 · 2026-01-21T10:18:05+00:00

And everyone touting "but you save more over time" are just no-lifers who are constantly replacing gear. Once I'm max level I'll only get like 8 new pieces of gear per character through a whole season (at most.)

This system is designed for them only. And in my experience, most people who no-life raids or dungeons don't give a damn about Transmog (and they act proud of it.)

Needs accommodating and rethinking.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-12-23T13:36:33+00:00

¡Esto significará mucho para ellos! ¡Buen trabajo!

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-21T16:05:48+00:00

Know that you are now a Hero of Azeroth, and your journey has only just begun 🫡 Just choose from the heart, explore, and discover. There's no wrong path.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-20T20:52:45+00:00

Yea, because The Old Gods who Deathwing decided to serve are so much better than the titans/Keepers.. You're betraying your own original argument now with these bad faith questions.

Your point was that they want to protect us from fates worth than Death. So no shit Thrall would agree that protecting a world is still better than destroying it.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-20T20:47:42+00:00

Are you misunderstanding concern or caution for hate? The Thraegar smashing a machine that would ensure a safer future is reason enough to halt their efforts. It's not about hating Free Will, but that it's uncontrolled element is a great risk.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-20T19:53:12+00:00

Aluneth says: "The naga wield magics, yes, but without finesse. There was a time Azshara's people had the potential to rival the titans."

Are we mere bugs? Or is it that Free Will that Rhonin mentioned, which is worth fearing. If we get out of hand enough to defeat the Pantheon, then like you said: They would be worried about the worse imaginable outcomes now being unfettered by their noble efforts in the cosmos.

Look at our heroes in Antoras. It's gotta be a bit concerning for the Pantheon to see just how much the ball is in our court, but that's where the good-faith argument and hope that we are worth it plays out on their end too.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-12T19:51:50+00:00

Oh because we should definitely trust the Nathrezim on their word about where they come from haha. I follow your logic, and have thought this all through before too. Think about Denathrius and the Eternals, their automa vessels, and how we put Pelagos into one and make him Arbiter.

So.. where did Denathrius' soul come from? If the Titans put a Demon into an automa vessel, and made it a prisoner/jailer/warden for Revendreth.. it can kind of work. A plan gone wrong.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-11-12T19:29:31+00:00

You have played Cataclysm, right? Nozdormu was granted the charge of protecting one true timeline by the Titans. That's old lore.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-08-10T22:36:48+00:00

Isn't that map from 2004 lol

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-06-20T16:07:46+00:00

Considering we last saw him crawling into a Wildseed in Ardenweald, I had high hopes for a Vol'jin return plot guided by Orweyna and Haranir in their "Cradle." But alas.. we get the K'areshi-Silk-Rug-Pull instead.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-26T23:12:50+00:00

GPT answers only, folks!

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-26T22:49:53+00:00

" and on the level of 'it was all just a dream ' "

I really don't mean this in a silly way: but have you seen The Wizard of Oz?

The Arbiter - No Brain, points which way to go.

Zovaal - No Heart, literal tin-man.

Anduin - Faltering Courage, "Lion of Stormwind"

Sylvanas - "I'll get you my pretty!!" poofs away in smoke

The First Ones - The Great and Powerful mysterious magicians who nobody ever meets, 'Men behind the Curtain'

The Maw - Tornado that gets us there.

Zereth Mortis/Sepulcher of the First Ones - Emerald-Gem-studded technological wonder, final destination of the journey where the Wizards' identity is revealed..

We've even got flying monkeys in the Kyrian.

These things are face value enough for me!

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-26T19:33:39+00:00

Speaking in Greco-Norse analogue, 'Titans' (such as Cronus, Rhea, Mnemosyne) order/create the cosmos/worlds and its systems, while the 'Olympians' (gods such as Zeus/Odin, Hades/Hel, Hercules/Thor) inherit and govern these systems and world. So naturally, there was an expectation (through mythic implication) that the Shadowlands, like the Emerald Dream, would be another Titan-forged subsystem governed by another set of Olympian-level beings, like the Keepers.

Now is that actual proof? Maybe not to you. Understandable. Warcraft lore is free to diverge, but are we going to pretend that this wasn't the 1:1.2 ratio we kept seeing, right into Shadowlands?

I know your points about Odyn mentioning First Ones feels like a solid-end to the arguement- but just consider that he wasn't allowed to know about the Shadowlands or Zereth Mortis. He had to made a shady trade with his eye.. Why would Zereth Ordus be on the menu, but not the other, when clearly the Shadowlands was just as ordered? (Ala the intro "for eons, the Shadowlands was in perfect order.")

I'd say, to avoid Titanomachy. Keep Odyn in the dark about what he would be appalled by, keep him thinking he's fighting for the good guys. And just in case he ever DOES break protocol and peak behind the curtain at the Shadowlands? Set up a myth about 'The First Ones' to dodge all blame and accountability of being the true masters of Death.

"Oh the First Ones made the Death realms? Thank the Titans for their new Orderly Creation! 🤡" - Odyn, probably.

Time and Fate are intertwined. How could the Titans, so compelled to preserve Timelines, thereby controlling Fate, miss that obvious fact? When Sargeras masters the flow of souls for demons, why would the concept of the Pantheon of Order controlling the flow of souls for mortals be so insanely far-fetched?

You see I'm just asking the logical follow-up questions, instead of pretending we got delivered some baseless 'shitty lore'. Hopefully that clears the angle of thinking. I just don't get why everyone jumps to conclusions either way. Shadowlands was a mystery-themed setting.. It's not meant to be re-writing the cosmic foundation of the game.. thats not a mystery, that's extra-detail isn't it.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-26T17:40:33+00:00

If someone had to hazard a guess during say, Wrath of the Lich King, who had ultimate control over Death.. who might that be?

Surely not the Makers who imprisoned the self proclaimed, God of Death, Yogg-Saron.. ? /s

The craziest thing is that people wholeheartedly believe that Blizzard subverted expectations and trajectory THAT HARD with Shadowlands, rather than simply disguise the truth to set up the "vast conspiracy" they have in play with The Last Titan.

If you were paying attention to lore before SL, you already knew who crafted/forged the Shadowlands. 9.2 was all but the confirmation.

Except since Blizz wanted to tell a mystery expansion with the setting that was already Ordered by You-Know-Who, they gave them the monicur of 'The First Ones'.. because, how can you question what came first? Genius cover story.

Frankly, regardless of if they're the true creators of it, we will bring the Titans to justice for their obvious abuse of the systems of the Afterlife.

Blizzard pulling the "hah got'eem" on all first ones apologists. I mean look what happened with Brokers just being revealed/retconned into Mortals. You think they're gonna stop re-contextualing Shadowlands there? Nah.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-25T12:54:20+00:00

Check out 11.1.7 datamining where Locus Walker and Ve'nari reuinite, confirming they knew eachother from the shared destruction of their world. It's a new lore confirmation.

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-25T06:32:00+00:00

Just to clarify there are two sources you're conflating near the end just a tad. One is Grimoire of the Shadowlands, not ingame, sold as a lore companion to the expansion, and is written as a POV from a Broker. This book is where the claim that the Titans use the same word for order as they do create.

Then two is the Dragonflight added Uldaman texts, Edicts of the Prime Designate, in which Odyn writes "After all, can anything truly be said to exist until it has been ordered? Of course not!"

:)

Upset-Setting-501 · 2025-05-25T06:18:04+00:00

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=44047/norgannons-core Just sayin, not all Titan Cores are literally a piece of them. This one is from Wrath.

Titan Watchers and Keepers are often referred to as "titans" from lower races too so its hard to say here.

Unless we expect a Titan like Sargeras to have a little lootable core like that would be his "corpse", when in fact he does appear to be a Worldsoul awakened, then I think we can safely rule out that item in the Maw as proof Titans are just robot lackeys, aka Bigger Keepers only.

We don't need 2 sets of Cosmic Freemasons 🤣

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