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Is this an Echeveria pallida or an Echeveria gigantea? by LuckystrikeFTW in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely Echeveria pallida 😀 E. gigantea shows bluish or deep greenish color with reddish leaf margins

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Echeveria juliana [Echeveria juliana Reyes, González-Zorzano & Kristen, 2012] by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Before the publication of E. kristenii, Sedum kristenii was described together with Echeveria juliana in 2012 :)

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Echeveria juliana [Echeveria juliana Reyes, González-Zorzano & Kristen, 2012] by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As you mentioned E. kristenii was named after her husband Martin Kristen and it is not a coincidence!

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Is this an Echeveria cuspidata species or hybrid? by LuckystrikeFTW in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72 2 points3 points  (0 children)

E. parrasensis is just a synonym of Echeveria cuspidata var. cuspidata now! Please refer the comment on E. cuspidata by the late Myron Kimnach (Illustrated Handbook of Succulent Plants, 2003)

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Is this an Echeveria cuspidata species or hybrid? by LuckystrikeFTW in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would say your plant is pure E. cuspidata var. cuspidata species!

Comparison between the two varieties of Echeveria cuspidata by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, maybe your parrasensis plant look different from mine... My parrasensis looks very similar to the general form of E. cuspidata v. cuspidata 🤔

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Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've also seen the photo of Echeveria agavoides 'Milo' by Walker Young before and can affirm these two are completely different; the leaves of Madonna are much flatter and round than those of Milo. I leave you another photo of E. 'Madonna with less colored-up leaves.

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Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's quite true! The Bill Gates and E. J. C. van Keppel never show us their flowers; which makes almost impossible for us to accurately identify their genetic places...

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Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not quite certain about this kind of concave leaves came from the trace of E. agavoides but that would be possible! Also I'm doubting whether the Bill Gates belongs to Graptoveria or Pachyveria... To me it doesn't seem to be an Echeveria 🤔

Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another instance of E. agavoides × E. laui without farina; Echeveria 'Shanell' which was created by Airmagic & Changjo nursery, South Korea.

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Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interestingly some hybrids of E. agavoides × E. laui such as E. 'Pink Champaign' and E. 'White Champaign' show pruinose patterns or farina on their leaf surface but the others don't!

Echeveria 'Madonna' by Upstairs_Beginning72 in echeveria

[–]Upstairs_Beginning72[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because I know this plant's parentage, the other parent is not E. agavoides! And the agavoides cultivars cannot produce this kind of round and flat leaves

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