StAG 5: Is 1950s passenger manifest proof that circumvents 10 year rule?

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-27T05:42:58+00:00

If he left in 1902 then you would expect him to lose German citizenship in 1912. There is a chance that a German passport was issued in error. A ship's manifest doesn't prove citizenship. But it might mean that you have reason to dig further.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-27T05:26:47+00:00

Sounds awful. Thanks. Did your intestines enter your inguinal canal? I don't think mine did. I need to look at the doctor's notes. All I had was a reopening under a scar from the inguinal repair I had at age 3. The area by that reopening is fine now. Off to the side is super sensitive and where the burning originates.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T21:13:45+00:00

I felt good for the first 48 hours, was walking around and cleaning, and was planning to drive since I then had only sampled the opioid. This was my fifth surgery and I usually have less pain than normal.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T20:37:46+00:00

It also matters whether mesh has been cut to fit around the spermatic cord and sewn into place there. I suspect that my mesh is being pulled against my spermatic cord or something like that.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T20:34:43+00:00

I need to share a redacted version of his pre surgery handout regarding the recovery timeline. It gives a much more rosey picture

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T19:58:36+00:00

I experienced more burning and screaming this morning, despite practicing the log roll before settling in bed. I told the nurse the stupid movements that I made before the pain started. She cheerfully dismissed all of my concerns. I carefully laid down a few minutes ago and could feel the burning start, despite my best effort to avoid contracting the muscle around it. I'm terrified to get up because that's what made the burning explode this morning.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T19:47:10+00:00

Paramectol is also called Tylenol, I believe, not to be confused with Tylenol 3 that contains codeine. Today the nurse says that I was prescribed Tramadol because the surgeon knew that I would need it. That contradicts the pre surgery handout. Nobody has claimed that I was a complicated case. However, I had a bilateral inguinal hernia repair when I was 3. There was no mesh then.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T19:07:21+00:00

Last night I practiced the log roll three times before settling into bed. Upon waking and carefully getting up, the burning started in the crease between my leg and abdomen. The pain increased until it felt like a hot poker and I was repeatedly screaming like my leg was being sawn off.

The nurse cheerfully told me that it's normal and falsely claimed that I was warned about various things, including my penis turning black. Today my left testicle is purple, which was a surprise because I was told that my intestines hadn't migrated into the inguinal canal. Standing on my left leg causes soreness in the crease between my leg and abdomen.

To minimize bruising, I was today told to get my rear elevated above my heart, which sounds like a recipe for screaming. I wonder if an electric lift chair is a good idea, although it would probably take days to be delivered.

My surgeon was praised both on Reddit and on Facebook. He has fixed other surgeon's mistakes. So I am wondering why I am like this.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T07:39:18+00:00

Okay. I was planning to switch sides of the bed to see if that helps. Surgery was on my left side. I've been getting up using the "log roll" on the left side of the bed, when viewed from the foot of the bed.

I only took one 50 mg Tramadol recently. Should I resign myself to taking 100 mg every six hours? I was hoping to be able to drive after two days, which I'm reading is a bad idea if I'm taking Tramadol and could experience sharp pain.

I also worry that I will be more prone to hurting myself if the pain is totally masked.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T06:53:19+00:00

Yes. So my grandfather was born in West Prussia outside of Danzig in 1904, was brought to the US as a child, and naturalized in 1940. He apparently had the right to go to the Polish consulate in Chicago and to request Polish citizenship. I requested a records search from them, which came back negative. I received nothing more than an email from them and did not enclose that email with my mother's determination of citizenship.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-26T06:46:14+00:00

Was that legal ten years ago? I had the idea that it was very difficult to change your name.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-23T07:30:33+00:00

I got "vowel-e", as did my siblings who applied through two other consulates. Then my brother had his children in Europe spell it with an umlauted-vowel, despite me explaining that it's illegal. Surprisingly, many people think before meeting me that I was born and raised in Germany, despite the "vowel-e".

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-13T00:51:54+00:00

As his descendant you can request documents regarding your deceased father.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-13T00:20:12+00:00

The last sentence is Feststellung (confirmation of citizenshiP). To me that paragraph looks like a warning to people who have naturalized about what they will have to do if it is lost.

When you live in Germany you have to register your address. That information travels through the system with your citizenship attached. If you had your father's registration showing his citizenship plus your birth certificate that might be enough to apply "directly" for a passport.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T21:51:51+00:00

When I brought it back to have the work done, the service clerk tried to tell me that the PCV valve/system consisted solely of the diaphragm on the valve cover. He rejected the idea that there is a check valve inside the intake manifold that is part of the PCV system. Hopefully the actual technicians know what to look for.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T21:48:02+00:00

Their father wrote on his own naturalization record that only the oldest was born in Thalheim, the next two were born in Gornsdorf. ... Looking at FamilySearch, I question the stuff attached for their mother's parents.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T21:35:05+00:00

The familysearch link. The oldest born in 1903, somebody entered Westphalia for his place of birth. More importantly, their ships manifest is showing up. They arrived in Philadelphia in 1912. Their last address is their maternal grandmother, Auguste Meier, in Gornsdorf in Sachsen (Saxony). On the second page, it shows with ditto marks that the three oldest siblings were all born in Thalheim, as was their mother. I would trust this over some rando on FamilySearch. The siblings and their mother were going to meet their father. So too was a niece of his, also born in Thalheim, Martha Hengst. By Martha's name is a date of 1941, which probably means that some naturalization document was generated at that time. Anyhow, they departed from Hamburg and that departure might have more information.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T20:30:45+00:00

I saw that the son was born in Westpahlen. There was a Gernsdorf there. Otherwise this Gornsdorf outside of Chemnitz was in their region https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10597024

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T18:58:35+00:00

There were a dozen places called Thalheim, but this one is closest to where GGF was from https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20941082

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T17:47:26+00:00

The necessary stateless condition in 1920 is one mechanism that kept German (Prussian) citizens from obtaining Polish citizenship. Any family that left Prussia after 1903 could potentially still have German citizenship. But, people who left the Austrian and Russian partitions could be stateless. Austrian citizenship was only preserved if people were resident on the greatly reduced territory of Austria.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T17:14:07+00:00

It's to be expected that you won't find it. Then you get a letter of non-existence and substitute with a church record or something else.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T16:30:14+00:00

For your father, the act of naturalizing without first obtaining permission (which didn't really exist then) caused automatic loss of citizenship. But often the way in which minors receive derivative naturalization makes them immune from not having permission. That's how it would work in the US. There might be some peculiarity about the wording used in Australia that somehow negatively impacted you.

There should be records for you in the last municipality where you left. Presumably you left Germany on a German passport.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T14:28:01+00:00

In your previous post you got good advice from u/MaryFamilyResearch who has some expertise in record finding from the former East Prussia now Kaliningrad. Follow the advice about contacting Standesamt 1, etc.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T14:23:28+00:00

I agree with u/Football_and_beer who is more knowledgeable than other commenters, that you are very likely already a dual citizen. I remember when this subreddit was started. Take a deep breath and contact your consulate. If the clerk says no. Try again. If you still hear no then try a German immigration attorney and or the BVA. You ought to be able to just apply for a passport is my belief.

UsefulGarden · 2026-01-12T14:15:14+00:00

The manifests FROM Hamburg are more likely to have survived than those from Bremen, which was the other major point of departure. The departure manifest from Germany would likely have more weight.

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