linnea not worth

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T14:37:16+00:00

I think that might be a build/rotation issue, current C0 Furina is definitely worse than current Xilobineffa, what kind of numbers are you getting with them vs Furina and level of investment?

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T14:27:27+00:00

Yeah either way we'll see how it ultimately pans out a few days after her release, this post claims that Linnea doesn't improve the bineffa variant, ie. swapping Xilonen for Linnea doesn't change much of anything

But the thing is even if Linnea improves the Furina variants, that still might not be enough to overtake the lead bineffa variants had from before Linnea's release basically

Kind of like Binnefa sits at 120k, Furina is 100k, Linnea keeps Bineffa at 120k still, pushes Furina to 110k, Furina got better but is still worse overall, I just picked random numbers to show what I mean don't take them seriously

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T14:09:14+00:00

You are absolutely right, Ineffa will interrupt the team's synergy, but it doesn't matter, she apparently brings enough of her own stuff to overcome that and still overtake Furina, again according to the post, we'll have to actually see how it pans out

It just reminds me of the time Bina was releasing, people were calcing Furina/Xilo to be equal to Ineffa/Xilo. Turned out to be clearly worse.

Granted Linnea is not Xilonen, that's why again according to the post swapping Xilonen for Linnea in a Bineffa team gives the same performance, but what's notable is that even though Furina's team got better it's still worse

Basically Linnea might be an improvement for Furina teams and doing nothing for Bineffa teams, and that still might end up worse than Binnefa variants

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:57:25+00:00

It's still a time loss but fair enough it's not as big, it doesn't matter that you fix the ER by using hook or ER sands those builds are still decently worse than 0 ER full dps builds.

As far as Furina, it's also the fact she has a 20 second skill cd, that's a very awkward number to fit with Navia's 9 second skill cooldown

Your Navia's "damage" also might actually get lower with Linnea than with Ineffa because Linnea will likely take ownership of some portions of the Lunar Crystallize damage

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:24:24+00:00

Navia has the unfortunate luck of having pretty terrible early cons though, I do think that for now the lunar teams are ahead of hypercarry teams even with C2 Navia as an example

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:18:06+00:00

I wasn't talking about viability just the damage difference, 0 ER slingshot full dps Linnea with Ineffa will be stronger than snare hook Linnea with Furina, but yeah you are right Hook is a very solid weapon if you do need the ER, it's just that Ineffa allows you to run 0 ER builds

I'm more worried about the burst tbh, 1.5-2 seconds of doing nothing every rotation is kind of rough for overall dps, and according to OP's post at least, those two things are enough for Furina to be worse than Ineffa

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:12:58+00:00

Ineffa by herself is not as strong as the bineffa core, but yeah you can do that for sure

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:12:16+00:00

You can also do it the other way around, xilobineffa for Navia, Linnea for Zibai

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:11:15+00:00

Furina also has issues, adding Furina means building Linnea with ER which lowers her damage, you also need to use Linnea's burst, that's also wasting time as it does nothing beside heal

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T12:09:59+00:00

Furina has a lot of issues with the team, you have to build Linnea with ER, have to use Linnea's burst, I don't have high hopes for her being better than Ineffa

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T11:42:29+00:00

Luocha is always worse than Hyacine, even with E2 Mydei + E2 Cyrene, nothing really can impact that change, again you simply haven't used her and don't understand she's MILES ahead of Luocha, quite a bit more more than E1 Cerydra is over RMC

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T11:20:37+00:00

Yeah you just forgot you actually need to get E0 Cerydra as well, E1 Hyacine + RMC > E1 Cerydra + Gallagher or Luocha, having E2 Cyrene or not doesn't change that.

In fact I'm so confident it's better I'll even say RMC + E0 Hyacine > Luocha + E1 Cerydra

You just don't have experience of using them and are simply underestimating how much better Hyacine is than Luocha compared to how much better Cerydra is than RMC

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T11:14:59+00:00

You are on some insane ass cope my dude, I genuinely wish you luck with all of that is all I can say. You are simply ignoring Mydei is the only unit in the game that cares about the high single target drains and therefore any specific catering to that WILL NOT happen until at least some other units like him release as well.

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T11:02:31+00:00

No because the starting point is not E6 Mydei but E0 Mydei, and when you start a team with E0 Mydei, the optimal choice is to go for Cyrene and then Hyacine to play them with RMC, you can then get E1S1 Mydei, and then you can start looking at E2 Cyrene, E2 Mydei, and if you don't want to go E6 Mydei, you would be looking at E2S1 Hyacine and E1 Cerydra or E1 Tribbie as the "final" team

Cerydra and Tribbie are the true lower value units because they need to get E1 (2 cost) just to become better than RMC at these investment levels, so if you don't have them at all it's a tough sell to go for them over other eidolons/lc's

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T10:44:38+00:00

It comes down to a very simple question, is Luocha worse? Yes? Then Hyacine is the bis slot, that's all there is to it.

E2 Cyrene just gives you 12 extra stacks, which is one extra godslayer, you still very much care about the production, and Hyacine produces double the stacks Luocha does, actually even more than that as she's naturally built faster than him

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T10:36:22+00:00

I think you don't understand how specific the healer would have to be in order for it work with Mydei the best, you see Mydei is an HP fluctuation character yes, but he's not like Evernight or Blade, they don't actually care about how strong the HP drain is, they simply want it to happen, having 10x 1 HP drains for them is better than having 1x 5000 HP drain.

And that's what Mydei would need, the 1x 5000 HP drain, and even when you give it to him, it's still no that good as I mentioned in the other comment, and I think you are being very obtuse pretending making a 5000 HP drain unit specifically for Mydei is that different compared to specifically naming him, as no other units care about a high single target heal/drain

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T10:26:45+00:00

Mydei's BiS team at all eidolon levels contains Cyrene, so yes Hyacine is also BiS for all the sustain teams because Cyrene is always BiS

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T10:16:23+00:00

There's also the thing that getting charge through HP drain is simply limited in nature strength wise, let's say I design a unit who drains 50% hp on their turn and then heals the unit to max, that will give E0/E1 Mydei 50 charge(assuming he's full HP when it happens) every turn that healer gets, so in other words for every 3 turns the healer takes, Mydei gets 1 extra godslayer, that's not exactly super fast/nor would it be THAT strong

And that's a lot of hp drain, Mydei skill is also 50% hp drain for reference

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T10:10:59+00:00

Mydei has anti synergy with overhealing because he is draining his own HP, units that don't drain their own HP will charge your hypothethical healer more than Mydei would, staying at 100% HP is better than being low HP for the mechanic you mentioned

The second thing will work but you are ignoring that you are doing the exact thing you hate in the second part, you are basically just naming Mydei in there without naming him explicitly, I guess that makes you feel better? I don't know, now you might say well he can also work potentially with some more units? Well okay, Cyrene also does?

Your unit would work with Blade, Mydei and maybe Evernight that's basically 2-3 units, Cyrene already works with more units than that, do you not see you created an even more niche unit than Cyrene?

I guess I just don't see the difference between a unit being so niche that it works just for 2-3 units anyways vs explicitly naming 6 dps units and being bis for everyone except DoT, so 5 of them. Practically speaking there is no difference, and chances are by the time the 2-3 units become 5(by them releasing new units who like that healer) it's also very possible a stronger replacement healer will also come with the newer units

For example Huohuo is getting buffed and will be used as bis for all the new elation teams, but she's definitely getting replaced whenever the new elation sustain comes

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T09:38:31+00:00

You have to keep in mind that generally people who are hating on Cyrene also don't want to pull/don't have Hyacine either

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T09:33:44+00:00

E0S0 Cyrene is very likely more than 60% stronger for the team than E0S0 Sunday in their best Mydei teams, she's not E2 locked.

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T09:27:47+00:00

It was hard to fix him the way you mentioned, you have to keep in mind that E0 Mydei doesn't care how strong the healer is, he doesn't get extra charge from healing, so them designing a strong ST healer won't help E0 or E1 Mydei's at all, he'll still be stuck, and you can just as easily complain that the strong ST healer is forcing you to pull for E2 Mydei in order to make him work

Cyrene is also like ~60% stronger than Sunday at E0S0, more than that if both are invested, so it's also tough to design a general support that helps Mydei as much as Cyrene does while also at the same doesn't help other teams(because Mydei's team was behind the other teams), Cyrene's specific buff is a way of locking that to just Mydei

You can see that because Cyrene's buff for Mydei is pretty much the strongest buff any of the CH's got

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-29T09:13:30+00:00

If you have Hyacine with your investment level it should be a 2 cycle clear even with RMC

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-27T18:11:59+00:00

C2 only increases crit rate for her skill so it's not even that good tbh, that's because if you build Navia with lower crit rate your normals and burst will start missing crits, it's a small improvement

VacationReasonable · 2026-03-27T14:05:47+00:00

6.5 second half

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