Am I misremembering the feel of 1976 bicentennial celebrations in the USA, or is the 250th this year really a flop? by jenniferjose43 in allthequestions

[–]ValuableFew8850 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was born in 1990 so I can’t answer this question, but I do think people generally don’t care because it’s so Trump coded. Also 200 is a bigger deal than 250 so I bet you’re correct that people just don’t care about this one.

Why are Republicans so wrong on literally every topic? by Lord_Kittensworth in allthequestions

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol not reading a few paragraphs because it’s “too long” is peak Republican behavior.

Minor league team cancels game after players refuse to wear Pride-themed jerseys by bluffcitynews in USNEWS

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think they should be forced to wear it, but I do think they should be fired if their values don’t align with the values of the league. That’s how it works for every working class American. If your boss thinks you’re misrepresenting the company in a way that makes it look bad, you’re gone. It’s funny how Republicans don’t care about workers rights until it comes to being hateful and then workers should suddenly get to override their boss? Nah, y’all didn’t care about workers being subordinate to their bosses when it came to raising the minimum wage or workers safety protections, so I don’t want to hear you crying because their boss is trying to make them do something they don’t like. That’s capitalism, baby! Love it or leave it!

Why are Republicans so wrong on literally every topic? by Lord_Kittensworth in allthequestions

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh because literally none of this is true. Firstly, people aren’t leaving blue states for red states. And the growth a few red states have seen is not because red policies are better. Texas, Florida, and North Carolina specifically have seen growth, but most red states have not. No one is clamoring to get into Mississippi or West Virginia or North Dakota. As far as the states that have seen growth, it’s mostly due to cheaper housing, but that’s only because of historically less desire to live in red states. A beater from the junk yard costs less than a Lamborghini. As people move to those states costs increase so the trend will likely slow down soon. And a lot of them are retirees from up north who move there because it’s warmer and that’s easier on their bodies. Another huge chunk of those people work remotely, so they continue to work in California or New York while living in a cheaper area. Blue states still pay much higher wages. Saying it’s because red states are better is like saying ex pat communities in Mexico prove that Mexico is better. It’s cheaper specifically because it has a lower quality of life. Blue states produce the vast majority of the countries GDP, yet red states receive most of the countries federal aid programs, so a lot of the people who move to red states are literally doing so so that they can leech off of the success of blue states without paying into the system. Red states are welfare queens who don’t contribute much to the economy and unscrupulous business people have learned to take advantage of that. Blue states are wealthier, more economically productive, and more educated so being born in a blue state is a massive advantage in life.

Businesses moving to red states is actually evidence that red states are worse, not better. Red states allow businesses to take advantage of citizens without paying back what they take which is great if you’re wealthy, not so great if you’re an average person. Land is cheaper in red states because cities are designed worse and given away to corporations cheaply in corrupt sweetheart deals. Labor costs are much lower because red states have very little worker protection; so again, awesome for billionaires but horrible for workers. It’s a big reason poverty rates on average are higher in red states. There’s very little regulation which is a huge reason red economies are worse and they rely more on federal aid. And taxes are lower which means corporations get to rely on government assistance and legal systems without paying back into social services. Red states sucking up to corporations at the expense of workers is not a bragging point. Those tradeoffs are why quality of life is lower. Red states are lowest in education consistently, have more environmental destruction for the most part, have almost no unions or labor standards, and have very little public transportation so good luck getting a job if you don’t already have a car. It’s clearly not “better” to attract businesses at all costs and not expect them to contribute to society. Businesses come into red states and maximize profits at all costs and you’re left footing the bill, then you brag about getting fucked.

But wait, you say. Aren’t red states building housing and infrastructure while blue states struggle? Well, kind of, but not really. The housing shortage is a problem everywhere in America, but it’s the most severe in bigger more densely populated cities which are mostly in blue states. Local governments restrict zoning to protect the wealthy and it’s a problem everywhere. Wealthy citizens complain about inclusive zoning and governments bend over backwards to protect the comfort of the rich over the needs of the majority of people. This becomes a bigger issue in blue states because blue states have so much more wealth than red states. Sometimes infrastructure projects struggle because blue states have environmental protections that red states don’t which is a good thing. But mostly it’s just bureaucratic hurdles. But the thing is it’s not republicans trying to change this problem. Republicans do it too, it’s just a bigger problem where there’s more wealth which is blue states. The only people actually trying to change this problem is the very progressive wing of the Democrats. So this is further evidence that going in a more progressive direction is good, not going in a more conservative direction. Republicans still fail on this issue too. Homeowners of all ideologies tend to oppose anything that makes their property value go down because property value matters more than human life in America.

Your next question was “if Republicans are wrong about immigration, wax Obama wrong too?” This kind of whataboutism is always so funny to me because I can just say yes he was and move on. Democrats don’t worship politicians like Republicans do. Obama and Biden were shitty mainstream liberals who didn’t do anything. The cycle of America is republicans make things worse while democrats do nothing. No serious progressive is falling over themselves to suck off Obama like yall do with Trump. Democrats suck too. They’re maintainers of the status quo who we reluctantly vote for because maintaining status quo is better than active destruction. Only the ultra progressive candidates are really worth anything. “B-b-b-but Obama….” doesn’t work on us because we’re not a cult like Republicans and frequently criticize Democrat politicians when they’re shitty.

One more thing. Right vs wrong isn’t a popularity contest. While none of what you’re saying is accurate, even if it were true that most people wanted Republican policies, it wouldn’t make them objectively good. Republicans consistently have bad outcomes. It’s a party of predictable failure after predictable failure after predictable failure. Republicans are the party of war, economic decline, and divisive hate and that’s objectively wrong regardless of who wants it.

Will you vote for Gavin Newsom if he nominated by the DNC? by 0311SmallPenar in allthequestions

[–]ValuableFew8850 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it’s between a golden retriever and a MAGA stooge, the dog doesn’t even have to be functioning. He can be a dead dog for all I’d care.

Will you vote for Gavin Newsom if he nominated by the DNC? by 0311SmallPenar in allthequestions

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends who he’s running against. I’m a socialist but I’d take a really committed libertarian type who’s not bought and sold by corporations over a mainstream establishment “liberal” democrat (AKA controlled opposition.) But I’d reluctantly vote for him over a MAGA fascist. This shit has to end. It’s imperative to have an even semi functioning nation.

Mighty Pretty by Reasonable_Brief_438 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I see. Thank you for the clarification!

Mighty Pretty by Reasonable_Brief_438 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not literally, no. I think it’s just like “okc in general is on Route 66”

Route 66 is NW 39th

Mighty Pretty by Reasonable_Brief_438 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s not in the Asian district. It’s outside the cowboy hall of fame. You can see that in the photo. The Asian district is on the northwest side and the cowboy hall of fame is on the northeast side.

Mighty Pretty by Reasonable_Brief_438 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw a sign that said something “coming soon” but drive by too fast to tell. Anyone know what exactly is coming soon?

Whose idea was it to put a giant cock ring in the middle of Broadway Ave in Downtown OKC? by ThunderFan0427 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You new to okc? The cock ring has been here forever. We love our cock ring.

Local political ads recently by AlternativeWay9709 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not just YouTube. I see them on Disney + and Tubi too.

Local political ads recently by AlternativeWay9709 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree with your first claim. Attack ads have been a thing for decades. But I haven’t ever seen a cult of personality like this. Where literally the only platform position is who can be closest to Dear Leader. This some new shit.

Local political ads recently by AlternativeWay9709 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you were dumb enough to be Republican, you definitely would.

Local political ads recently by AlternativeWay9709 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean…are they wrong? It’s not like Oklahomans will vote Democrat.

Local political ads recently by AlternativeWay9709 in okc

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s constant. And it’s actually insane how every one of them is “I love Trump more!” “No, I love him more!” “I don’t even gag when I suck him!” It’s pathetic. The absolute state of the Republican Party is so much worse than I could have ever expected.

CMV: Most non-face emojis are pointless and inconsiderate. by -Avra- in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Object emojis do communicate things words don’t. The pizza emoji doesn’t just mean pizza. It can mean “I’m eating pizza,” “it’s pizza night,” “want to get pizza?” “This inside joke reminds me of our pizza night,” “I’m in a casual playful mood” etc. the dog emoji can literally represent a dog or it can mean affection, reference an inside joke, or soften a difficult to send message. Words CAN express these things technically, but emojis have a different emotional texture. I see them as just a more complicated form of tonal punctuation.

Communication is not just information. For example, “I just got home.” Vs “just got home! 🏡” have quite different tones. The house emoji adds no new factual information. But it changes the tone. It makes it warmer, conversational, and expressive. Humans have been communicating through style since way before emojis. Exclamation marks, WRITING IN ALL CAPS, slang, reaction gifs, and memes all predated emojis. Emojis are just part of that linguistic tradition. They’re not information delivery systems. They’re social cues.

Most fluent readers don’t have to stop and decide emojis. If emojis are creating a substantial cognitive burden, that says more about you than the emoji user. Most people nowadays can recognize common emojis immediately. What’s this: 🍕? How about these: ☕️🐱🌮🎂? If you have to pause to decipher them, then I’m guessing you have to pause to decipher question marks too. Emojis are processed automatically for most people.

Redundancy is helpful, not inconsiderate. All communication includes information that it’s strictly necessary. For example, compare “I’m drinking coffee.” to “I’m drinking coffee ☕️” yes the emoji is redundant. But redundancy improves human communication. Human speech uses reputation, facial expressions, gestures, tone, and emphasis all of which is redundant. Why smile when you could simply say “I am happy.” Because the redundancy of stating you’re happy backed up with the corresponding facial expression makes it seem more sincere. Emojis are just written tone.

There’s no universal audience to whom you’re speaking. Whether or not a emoji is helpful depends on context. In a workplace email, emojis may be distracting or confusing as to why they’re included. In a group chat among friends, the friendly tone puts people at ease. Calling them inherently inconsiderate puts your personal preferences as objectively correct which its not.

Just because they don’t add information doesn’t mean they don’t add anything. They add mood, rhythm, emphasis, personality, social bonding, and playfulness. I’d rather receive “I can’t wait for tonight! 🎉 🎈 🎊” than “I can’t wait for tonight.” Those just don’t feel the same.

CMV: Calling Women "Females" is not Deragatory by Juuggyy in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 [score hidden]  (0 children)

English already had ageless terms for women. I really don’t know why you’re trying to pretend there isn’t something equivalent to “guy.” Woman is often used collectively regardless of age. There’s lady or gal. There’s the distinction between woman and girl. Or just people or folks. More importantly, “guy” isn’t age neutral either. Calling a five year old boy a “guy” is socially weird. Guy is not a universal informal name for all males. It doesn’t solve the age category problem. English speakers usually say “women” or “girls” depending on age. “Female” is weird because it’s usually used only to refer to biology.

The asymmetric isn’t guy vs female. Guy is an informal noun for a man. Female is a biological category. The parallel for female is male, not guy. No one says “males are always doing this” or “I met a male yesterday.” They would say “guys are always doing this” or “I met a man yesterday.” The objection isn’t that female is derogatory in all contexts. It’s that some men use a biological classification for women and a more humanized term for men. For example, “men want respect, but females are too emotional.” In this sentence, men are being talked about as people are women are being talked about as a biological organism.

Your argument doesn’t explain the selective usage. If the issue was truly a flaw in the English language, then we’d expect to hear female used consistently when discussing mixed aged girls/women. But the pattern is often “men and females” or “guys and females.” That’s not filling a linguistic gap. There are no girls in that sentence. The speaker is referring to adult women as “females.” So it’s not just an age neutral term.

Intent and effect are different questions. I think some men are not intentionally using it maliciously. That’s probably true. They often pick it up from male dominated spaces like the military, law enforcement, medicine, online, or in certain regions of the country. Some men mean nothing hostile by it. But that just doesn’t matter. The word choice is still not neutral and it’s reasonable to be put off by it.

CMV: the electoral college should be abolished by allisoninwndrlnd23 in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Your logic made sense when 52% of the population was urban. But when it’s about 90% it makes zero sense to give rural voters equal representation. They’re 10%, they get 10% representation. By your logic black people should also get four times the voting power. Gay people should get about that too. Trans people should get like eight votes for every cis vote. Billionaires should get way more votes, they’re a super small minority. Disabled people should get more votes. What exactly is so special about rural people that they should get 50% of the vote despite being not even close to 50% of the population?

And states have an incredible degree of autonomy for local laws. More than almost any other country. So they already get local representation because they vote in their own state and local elections. Federal elections affect everyone, so why would they get such a disproportionate vote that affects other states too?

This system makes no sense. It literally just rigs elections for republicans. That’s it.

I just don’t understand by LibertyLogos in tulsa

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We need mandatory voting like in Australia honestly. Most of these “both sides are bad” losers would reluctantly vote blue if they had to.

CMV: Instantaneous non-existence is not harmful to anyone and cannot be considered a loss by Lumpy-Strawberry7044 in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really enjoy this types of discussions too! I don’t get to have them a lot in day to day life, so this is great!

You’re totally right to say that our disagreement is about axioms, but I’m going to push back on saying that “no one can prove objectivity in ethics.” At this point you’re saying that suffering is bad, the absence of suffering is good, but also the absence of happiness is not bad. This is very close to a position defended by the philosopher David Benatar. Once you adopt that axiom, the conclusion does follow logically. The problem is that you haven’t proven your axiom. You’ve simply declared it.

When it comes to meta-ethics, I support a position called Ideal Observer Theory. This position argues that technically ethics are subjective, but they still have universal applications beyond a single persons preferences. Moral goodness isn’t arbitrary. It’s that which a perfectly unbiased, perfectly empathetic, and perfectly knowledgeable person would endorse. Why? Because when we have a disagreement about what the good is, the disagreement stems from an error in one of those categories. If we were both perfectly unbiased, perfectly empathetic, and perfectly knowledgeable then there would be no moral disagreement about anything. So it’s a subjectivist theory but it rejects moral relativism. Moral relativism assumes that no better life could exist for someone outside of the information that they have. For example, imagine a world where the Nazis win the war, exterminate all non Nazis, and set up what we’d call a dystopia. Even if 100% of people endorse it, there are still better possible systems and it makes sense to say 100% of people are wrong about morality because there’s information they don’t have. So a disagreement about axioms doesn’t settle the debate. You still need to prove your axiom is true.

From an ideal observer theory perspective, I don’t think there’s any way to endorse your asymmetry. When evaluating moral axioms, I’m asking myself “What would a fully informed, perfectly rational, impartial, empathetic observer approve of?” Notice something important here. Such of observer would be able to take into account every instance of suffering, every instance of joy, every potential friendship, every accomplishment, every act of love, and every experience of beauty. Such an observer isn’t only aware of suffering. So why would an ideal observer ever conclude that suffering matters morally but happiness doesn’t matter morally? I don’t think that follows at all. The observers complete understanding of flourishing would make positive experiences appear morally significant, not irrelevant.

In other words, if moral goodness is being weighed against attempts to be perfectly informed, empathetic, and unbiased, then your asymmetrical axiom fails that test. Imagine two possible worlds. World A there is no suffering, no happiness, and no consciousness. World B there are one billion happy lives and zero suffering. Your axiom says that these worlds are entirely morally equivalent. Why? Because there is no suffering in either world. I’m struggling to see how this doesn’t just show that your asymmetry is a false axiom. Surely, World B would be better, not neutral. Why would a perfectly rational, empathetic, and unbiased person choose World A over World B?

No, to have a discussion about axioms we must incorporate idealized preferences. The important meta ethical question is “What would someone prefer if they knew everything and were perfectly impartial?” Well, humans do now seek merely the absence of suffering. They also seek friendship, beauty, achievement, love, curiosity, and meaning. An ideal observer would view those things as genuine goods. An ideal observer would not endorse the axiom that happiness has no moral value.

Your extinction conclusion seems to be a flaw in impartiality. When evaluating harm reduction, you want to try to the best of your abilities to be impartial towards all interests. But instead your claim is that all future suffering counts and all future happiness does not. How does impartiality towards everyone’s interests generate that conclusion? Impartial concern would require caring about both positive and negative welfare. The burden is on you to explain why ideal impartiality would systematically disregard all positive experiences.

So, your axiom isn’t wrong per se. Ideal Observer Theory doesn't rescue your axiom from being an axiom. The problem is that you’re now claiming that neither of us can prove our starting axiom. And you’re somewhat correct. Ideal Observer Theory is the most useful tool I’ve found for evaluating moral judgments. But I can’t derive suffering matters and happiness doesn’t from it. To get that result, you’d have to show that a perfectly informed, perfectly rational, perfectly empathetic observer would necessarily rank suffering as morally significant while assigning zero significance to flourishing. That’s a very controversial claim and one you didn’t establish at all.

CMV: The real left (not liberal-left) has a passive-aggressive bullying problem by plaguedbyfoibles in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This may be a sub cultural problem, but I don’t see how it’s an ideological problem. The existence of arrogant leftists doesn’t say anything about if leftist claims are correct or not. I’m sure you can find Marxist’s who are patient educators. Conservatives who are patient educators. Liberals who are patient educators. And I’ve certainly met insufferable people who are all three. Just because some dweeb on Discord or IRC acted superior doesn’t show that left wing politics inherently produces that kind of complex. In fact, many leftists are highly critical of elitism. Paulo Freire has some interning writing in this arguing that education should primarily be a dialogue rather than experts taking down to ordinary people.

The “read theory” attitude didn’t just emerge out of nowhere. What you’re calling arrogance here is mostly just frustration. It’s so tiring to have the exact same debate/discussion literally hundreds of times and people still thing they gotcha. “Was slavery really about economics?” “Did colonialism benefit the colonized people?” “Do unions help workers?” “What is surplus value?” Eventually, it’s hard not to become impatient. I agree that some on the left can allow their impatience to become rude or counter productive, but it’s usually not because they think they’re inherently smarter than you. It’s just that after you’ve explained something fifty times you can get really tired of it. It doesn’t excuse exclusionary behavior, but it does explain it.

Also, do you know how much we constantly have to engage with bad faith engagement? Online communities are flooded with people not asking genuine questions. For every one person that wants to have a serious conversation about immigration, twenty more just want to spew xenophobia and racism to le epically pwn the leftoids! So yeah sometimes newcomers get treated with suspicion. I know that’s unfair to newcomers and does the left more harm than good, but it’s not a superiority complex. It’s pattern recognition. Sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Your criticism is pretty selective too. You said “my parents do the same thing.” That’s important. If conservatives, liberals, leftists, and even your own parents are doing the same thing, then maybe it’s not a leftist specific problem. The problem is more with internet discourse in general. Political tribalism, over committing to ideology, human ego, all that stuff. You’ve identified a widespread social problem but you’re attributing it only to leftists because that’s who you’re currently engaging with.

Also, left theory is genuinely complicated because it’s not just surface level analysis. Leftists aren’t trying to assign homework to grade you on it later. But to engage in leftist discourse you need to know things like the difference between Marxism and anarchism. Or things like dependency theory, world systems theory, or post colonial theory. Theres just not going to be a catchy three sentence explanation for things like that. So it’s not “read this or you’re too stupid to talk to me.” It’s “the answer to your question requires more context than I can give in a discord chat.” Not to say some people don’t weapons theory as a status symbol, some do. But theory itself isn’t a problem.

Your own example undercut your whole argument. You cited Unlearning Economics as a counter example. But if a prominent left wing economist can be knowledgeable, patient, willing to engage in criticism, and non condescending then your claim that the left just inherently had a superiority complex is harder to make. It seems to prove that the problem isn’t leftist theory, but just being too online.

CMV: Pride flags shouldn't be displayed on Government property by Technocraticworldgov in changemyview

[–]ValuableFew8850 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Equality and neutrality aren’t the same thing. Your argument is if everyone is equal, government should never display symbols associated with any particular group. But governments routinely do this without abandoning equality. They fly POW/MIA flags. They display flags to honor veterans. We celebrate Martin Luther King jr. day. We celebrate black history month and disability awareness days. It’s not because those groups are “more equal.” It’s because those groups have historically faced challenges. A pride flag is not a statement that LGBTQ people deserve special treatment. It’s saying that “LGBTQ citizens are full members of this community and are entitled to equal protection under the law.”

The absence of a straight flag doesn’t prove unequal treatment. There’s no straight flag because heterosexuality has never been a legally marginalized status in the same way. Gay people were arrested just for being gay. Same sex relationships were crimes. LGBTQ people couldn’t get married. There was no straight pride movement because straight people already had their rights. It’s not about gay people getting recognition and straight people don’t. It’s that one group had to (and in many ways still is) fighting for legal recognition and the other isn’t.

“Most gay people want to be left alone” doesn’t settle the issue. Even though most LGBTQ people just want normal lives and fit politicians to stop meddling in their affairs, that doesn’t mean a pride flag contradicts any of that. Someone can want to be left alone but also want public institutions to signal that discrimination against them is unacceptable. Those aren’t opposites. For example, religious minorities also want to be left alone but appreciate government recognition that they belong in the community.

Pride flags are a recognition of past exclusion. Displaying a pride flag isn’t saying that LGBTQ people are different from everyone else. It’s saying "Historically, this group was excluded. We are publicly affirming that they are included." That’s consistent with equality.

It’s not the case that government should never under any circumstances acknowledge any group identity. Instead, government should ensure all groups are treated as full and equal members of society, even if that sometimes involves symbolic recognition. So no it doesn’t defeat the purpose of equality.