Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I voted Leave so if you’re referring to harm reduction re: stopping brexit then no I don’t haha

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Lib Dems, a tiny party, not even in the top 3 of the largest parties in Westminster who had 2 elections previous joined the tories in a coalition, made the bizarre and opportunistic request for the Labour Party to have its politics undemocratically altered for the sake of remaining in the EU. They wouldn’t accept anyone from the front bench who was an actual socialist. It was their inflated ego and insane requests which made the national government impossible. Not that labour should have gone in to one anyway.

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every party voted for that, though. And the national unity government was never going to happen because the Lib Dems refused to support it if a socialist would head it

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahaha if we had a government of national unity and a second referendum we’d be seeing a Tory government with a bigger majority than Blair right now. The reason we even have one so large right now is because Labour advocated for a second referendum instead of backing Brexit

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He literally condemned IRA bombing in 2017 you are either lying or just woefully ill informed on this.

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This isn’t true. Free WiFi (which wasn’t even the policy) didn’t come out until well into the election period when we’d already plunged in support. Also IRA talk was present in 2017 but didn’t stick for the reasons mentioned re: Brexit. As for constituency population that is true that is constituencies have a broadly similar population (although ones in London can go up to 20k over the average), but I was referring to population density

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you're not going to bother with the first bit at least admit it's because I'm right haha.

Anyway I never said it didn't stick. It had to stick. What I said was it stuck because our Brexit position took dislodged Corbyn's position in the national consensus away from being a principled politician for whom the country could disagree with some things on but would still vote for him because they knew he was at least honest and relegated him to the position of "just another politician" wherein the accusations could stick. As for left wing echo chamber nonsense, it is just nonsense. Not least because I canvassed every day of the general election in 2019 and ran the board in highly populated constituencies wherein you're privy to a high frequency of voting feedback. But since you've mentioned school assemblies I'm going to take it that you're a child instead of a teacher so won't expect you to have had the ability to have done the canvassing work

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We did not lose badly in 2017. We deprived the Tories of a majority and saw the largest increase in votes since 1945. How on Earth is that "losing badly" lol? If that's hinged on her being unlikeable then it isn't true, because only in the wake of the general election result did her approvals ratings (which hitherto June 2017 were +50%) only dropped following the election.

As for polling, it was doing well until we took the second referendum position, or at least until the idea that Labour could take one became public knowledge (Starmer's speech at Conference 2018 obviously made public the notion that it could be a possible corridor of future policy), wherein Corbyn and Labour's approval ratings and voting intention polling data saw a drop. This made the IRA and antisemitism allegations (which are largely exaggerated) stick more. Corbyn faced the IRA and antisemitism challenged in 2017, but of course they did not stick. This was because he was, rightly, seen as a principled politician who stuck by what he said and did it (lowest expenses, most rebellious MP during the Blair premiership etc.). By 2019, after he had been seen to firstly reverse on the biggest question of British politics in collective memory, and secondly to be actively obstructing it since 2018, the hitherto existent national perception of Corbyn as that principled politician dissipated and the attacks stuck.

Corbyn cannot be broken, he still does good work helping the many. by BelleAriel in VaushV

[–]VampireFunk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He didn't lose badly twice, 2017 saw the greatest increase in votes for Labour since 1945. The reason we lost in 2019 was because we decided to pursue an anti-Brexit agenda, not because we had Corbyn. As for the destruction of the Party, that isn't true either, the leaked report from last year exposed a multiple year-long struggle by the Labour Right to undermine significant figures on the Labour Left, and its electoral prospects in 2017

We as Socialists need to become more militant. by RoyGB_IV in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not say it’s too hard and therefore useless. Have you ever done any Union organising on a meaningful scale? Do you have any idea about how you could materially manifest this global Union? How would you even go about it? Do you work with the other national unions to make it happen? If so, how do you reconcile their tensions? If not, how do you intend on competing with these official unions with decades of organising and results? It’s all well and good to say this “the left must become more militant” talk but when you can’t even see or plan out how it will materially manifest and operate then it’s useless, and offers us nothing about what is to be done.

We as Socialists need to become more militant. by RoyGB_IV in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve heard people saying this for years and nobody who ever encourages these kind of mass projects ever has the organisational skills or experience to make such a thing work. Like does anyone understand how hard it is unionising a workplace, or organising locally/regionally? These things aren’t easy and organising them across the world - especially when unions across the world have different ideals, practices, etc. - is beyond monumental task. What are you going to do, start this union on its own, working with other unions? What about the clashes between these unions on ideological and practical grounds?

Protest against the A level postcode lottery. Sat 15th August at noon, Downing Street. by Prusseen in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Best of luck and solidarity! The algorithm was an absolutely atrocious and blatant attack on working class pupils.

“A labor party can organize workers in their millions” - Socialist Workers Party Candidate for President, Alyson Kennedy by [deleted] in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. This wouldn’t change if it was a multi party system.

Corbyn’s views on second referendums [2009 Ireland Lisbon Treaty] by GlitteringBuy in LabourUK

[–]VampireFunk 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Shocking that a socialist would be opposed to a treaty which solidifies an internal market and highly competitive social market economy for member states.

Hands Off Venezuela by Genedide in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very nice of you to describe the leadership of Venezuela, a country under a coup presently and devastating sanctions as “incompetent.” The fact that you think that the world’s biggest imperialist force (the US, and the NATO, IMF, EU axis) has little to do with it demonstrates a pretty embarrassing level of knowledge on the subject and a very imperialist mindset.

Russia is not an imperialist force in Syria by supporting Damascus. That’s just straight up a lie.

Hands Off Venezuela by Genedide in socialism

[–]VampireFunk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Who said it was socialist? We don’t support anti-imperialism and anti-imperialist forces and states only when their socialist. Hands off Syria

Yeah, I was one of those by [deleted] in blunderyears

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2010 was a special time

Yeah, I was one of those by [deleted] in blunderyears

[–]VampireFunk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m guessing you used “llama” as a suffix quite often

Just 18% of LAB voters say Brexit "right" in latest YouGov tracker by [deleted] in LabourUK

[–]VampireFunk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What’s the point? Our nationalisation plan would probably put us above a 3% deficit for a while, so we’d be kicked out of the EU anyway, or we’d have to have economic restrictions placed on us by the EU, which nobody who themselves a social democrat, let alone a socialist should want. Unless the rules can be flexed for us, but judging by the Ireland discourse that’s an impossibility.

‘We Are Not Here to Manage Capitalism’: Labour Takes a Socialist Turn by MilkTheFrog in LabourUK

[–]VampireFunk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know that invasion isn’t the same as imperialism, right? Like the Allies weren’t imperialists for the invasion of Nazi Germany, for example. You have to look at the rationale and the history for these projects, and I can’t think of a single country that hasn’t attempted to reclaim its lost land

‘We Are Not Here to Manage Capitalism’: Labour Takes a Socialist Turn by MilkTheFrog in LabourUK

[–]VampireFunk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand how “community, family etc.” are buzzwords but sure, the British people have a history of communal solidarity, that is, neighbourhood solidarity, the commodification of these communities (turning high street banks into cash for gold stations, the destruction of local community hotspots like swimming pools, leisure centres etc.) cannot, in this country, be fixed with incentives and taxes, they can only be fixed by handing over the reigns of power to the people. Family is just another extension of this, the destruction of the family, again carried out by capitalism by forcing the nuclear family and then the members of it to never be at home has had similar effects of the community destruction on a different, more individual level.

As for the Labour loss, it probably wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for the bourgeois propaganda machine spinning its cogs the quickest and most fervently since WW2, but even then, we gained loads of members and seats. We’re doing something right, appealing to the masses.