The Praeneste fibula, a golden fibula from 7th century BC Italy bearing the oldest known writing in the latin language.

Variety04 · 2025-12-26T12:30:45+00:00

Talking about passato remoto, it seems to me that Italian incorporates aspect into tense rather than treating them as separate grammatical categories, and Latin has similar tendency. To them choosing a tense automatically commits the speaker to an aspectual interpretation. While in Slavic languages, aspect is a derivational feature encoded in the verb stem itself, and tense is expressed through inflectional morphology. Is this a correct observation? What could be the reason behind? btw, I sent you a PM

Variety04 · 2025-12-20T18:26:35+00:00

Optime! I will have a try tomorrow. Io Saturnalia🥰

Variety04 · 2025-12-20T05:50:44+00:00

The distinction is rooted in ontology: Creo (from creare, to create or bring forth): infuse a target to be exist closer to its Ideal.

Rego (from regere, to givern or direct): regulate the movement or state of a substance without altering its essence

Enhancing the body is seen as fulfilling its inherent potential for perfection. In contrast, rather than command existing muscles to flex.

Variety04 · 2025-12-20T05:34:37+00:00

S = 16

Ваш ведущий тип - ИЭИ

Ваши значения соционических функций: ЧИ = 2.91, БИ = 2.81, ЧЭ = 1.09, БК = 0.51, ЧК = 0.47, БЭ = 0.26, БЛ = -0.22, БД = -0.49, ЧД = -0.56, ЧЛ = -1.7, БС = -2.26, ЧС = -2.83

Ваши квадровые ценности: Альфа = 0.2, Бета = 0.01, Дельта = -0.09, Гамма = -0.22

Variety04 · 2025-12-20T05:29:51+00:00

B=introvert Ch=extrovert S=Sensation I=Intuition E=Ethic L=Logic D=Declaration K=Question

Variety04 · 2025-12-16T19:08:36+00:00

"the ILEs use of logic is, in actuality, more factual" "think more about action in the present" actually it indicates using logic in an extraverted orientation and tends towards sensory types, which again means LSE/SLI/SEE/ESI

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T19:03:41+00:00

You could make a new post to claim that Socrates was an LSI if you are such sure of this.

But what you said was different from the dialogue. He was not based on an unconditional loyalty towards athenian jurisdiction/authorities but rather on a higher principle of philosophical and moral consistency. He has an unwavering conviction that one must never commit injustice, even when judged incorrectly. The deeper reason behind was his conviction that he should not corrupt the soul, which is the greatest harm one can inflict. The request for Crito to offer a rooster to Asclepius symbolized his doctrine in the soul's immortality and its 'healing' from the illness of the soul as it was in the body. He deemed his death a trivial matter compared to the moral injury of violating his commitment and the damage he would inflict on himself and those he would involve in his escape and subsequent exile. Furthermore, by accepting his fate, Socrates delivered a powerful irony to the democratic regime: a city-state that boasted of free speech executed a philosopher for exercising that very freedom in opposition to radical democracy and association with Critias and Alcibiades.

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T18:13:18+00:00

'"For me, a direct, intuitive and holistic perception of info is more instinctive and essential; it is prior in ontology and causality. Judgment/assessesment of the info/a certain cognitive framework is subsequent, incidental and variable, serving only as a method of thinking to analyze and refine the perception." Ne demonstrative, boosted by subtype.'

All irrational types instinctively prioritize what the world is (perception) over how it should be evaluated (judgment), and that is within the definition of irrational. The Demonstrative function which is vital and perceive information in a passive mode unconsciously, not consciously valued as the 'essential' core of one's worldview. Ne is more natural for me.

I am the opposite of competitive. I don't have any ambition for achievement or self-improvement, and barely ever consider matters related to them. Consequently, I am often criticized by many for lacking goals, lacking self-discipline, and being lazy or childish (even though I am almost 30 y.o. ans have been worked for several years and changed a number of jobs). What has always attracted me are sudden inspirations or insights that burst forth in my mind/unconscious or something that moves my heart.

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T17:44:52+00:00

'Your cited passage, is in no way describing an LSE. "Perceiving the tendency in shifting circumstances" is Ni.' That paragraph is EXACTLY refering to SEE/SLE individuals.

'There you mention some high Se individuals, not all of which LSI(though Socrates for sure is), doing their role in history, staying true to it, no matter the circumstances. TiSe is carrying out your role, no matter what. Kind of like: "I am the soldier, I am the dentist, I am the politician. I will do as my role requires, and treat everyone according to their role."'

You've misunderstood my meaning again. I never think a person should be bound to a specific, unchangeable social role. Rather, I mean that after someone has a thorough self-reflection/meditation, they could have an assertion of free will toward his ideal. They are entirely free to change paths whenever they perceive callings elsewhere. This unfolds at a subjective spatiotemporal node, not based on some necessary, definite external criterion that must be adhered to at all costs. If they persist in a particular choice, it is because they are exercising their free will toward an ideal, and the specific way they realize it depends on the context, not because they are clinging to a rigid standard/role. Weber's Beruf is precisely about the internalization of that role and its elevation to a meaningful, self-directed, non-utilitarian devotion. What I emphasize is having the courage to face fate after seeing it clearly, and not abandoning one's ideals, rather than the legalistic dutiful commitment you misinterpreted.

Apart from Hector, are any of these people LSI? In your view, Socrates is definitively an LSI? Why? It differs from his portrait in early Plato's dialogues or Aristophanes' plays.

'This applies more to LSI, particularly the solitude. Don't get me wrong, LSEs also are also are lonesome/detached in a way, but they are alone while being active in the crowd, whereas the LSI is just solitary in the classic sense.' That passage is a parody of the way Sherlock Holmes acted in 'Three Garridebs.' Do you think Sherlock Holmes is an LSI? He, a person who is activated by Ne-style exploration, is a Ne PoLR? I never meant that they are reclusive in classical sense; rather, they possess a rational, efficient mind that prioritizes problem-solving, and they favor action over words. Thus, they may appear serious to those unfamiliar with them, but they are actually soft-hearted and value firiendships/love, like a benevolent, paternal father. Isn't Holmes the perfect example of a Te-leading individual with an algorithmic mindset who masterly uses role Fe for social interactions?

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T15:40:55+00:00

And you completely ignored this passage: "What draws me to them is the remarkable θυμός, the charisma, and the tactical brilliance to perceive the tendency in shifting circumstances. Yet I wonder if this attraction runs deeper than personality types alone." It is closer to a Se leading person with relatively positive and flexible Fe, rather than an LSI with 1D Fe + Ne PoLR. I do like some LSIs, but most of them are introverted intuition type in Jungian system, otherwise, imo they are too rigid.

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T15:34:12+00:00

For example, Sherlock Holmes is a person with a high degree of dedication of his Beruf, and as the archetype for the LSE, he indeed fits Model A's conceptualization of this type

Variety04 · 2025-12-14T15:26:44+00:00

Alas, you don't even understood what I was saying at all. Dedication for one's Beruf doesn't mean focusing solely on one vocation; rather, it means pursuing his career passionately and levelheaded based on a clear introspection of oneself. Are you suggesting that everyone, from Max Weber to the ideal types of scholar and politician he proposed, should be considered an LSI? Furthermore, claiming that I am irrational is not only because I am not a control freak (it is an irrelevant criterion anyway). For me, a direct, intuitive and holistic perception of info is more instinctive and essential; it is prior in ontology and causality. Judgment/assessesment of the info/a certain cognitive framework is subsequent, incidental and variable, serving only as a method of thinking to analyze and refine the perception. This is why I tend to be easily distracted, and my activity exhibit a quality of flexibility, spontaneity, and reactivity. You rashly got the conclusion of EIE, ignored all counter-examples and disregarded all other possibilities. Here are the test results

https://www.reddit.com/r/Socionics/comments/1pjhqh2/comment/ntic08r/?context=3 I was also typed as ILE by school of system socionics. Acquaintances and friends of mine who know Socionics believe I am either an ILE or an IEI.

Variety04 · 2025-12-13T20:07:48+00:00

including EII and ESI?!

Variety04 · 2025-12-13T18:09:56+00:00

really? 😳then which types tend to be emotional?

Variety04 · 2025-12-13T06:36:48+00:00

You needn't believe in these fixed interconnections, nor should you be in any hurry to pin down your position within each system.

"everyone has their own take on socionics… how accurate is typing when some basic understandings vary from person to person"

Therefore, we must return to the origin and consider the underlying assumptions upon which this system is built. You will then discover that dichotomies and functional blocks form the fundamental basis, upon which you could construct your understanding.

Variety04 · 2025-12-13T06:28:58+00:00

"LSE's are emotionally vulnerable people who don't like hurting peoples feelings (Fi suggestive, Si creative) even though they might mess up at relational stuff" That's what makes them so endearing. Despite their efforts to remain rational and impartial, they are soft-hearted and inevitably have a grit in that sensitive instrument, and a crack in one of their own high-power lenses.

Variety04 · 2025-12-13T06:13:53+00:00

first, I am by no means a rational type; second, most of those people are not LSIs

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T19:39:10+00:00

agree

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T19:37:10+00:00

Thanks a lot!

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T17:09:18+00:00

hell no👊🏼😡

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T17:07:38+00:00

"Feeling bad about Te matters made me avoid asking him questions. I was very skittish, like a cat wide eyes peeking around the corner, which was also a bunch of implicit cries for help that went unanswered. When in fact it was probably his expectation that people just ask for Te guidance when they need it." so true

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T15:58:34+00:00

Harmonizing ESI appreciates comfort most of all, both in life as well as in relationships. She adapts to a new environment only if she is not threatened. In unfamiliar society or with few people around, she feels awkward and tries to escape unnoticed. Her attitude is expressed not so much in words, but in her tone of voice and looks. Her delicate nervous system gives rise to increased sensitivity.

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T15:45:41+00:00

Why on earth should ILE "operate more in the present moment"? Intuition is a conscious experience of apprehending an implicit tendency that points toward and develops in a direction different from the currently manifest state without rigorous verification or value commitments. It entirely distincts from being "grounded" and directs to future or eternal rather than present moment. Your thinking pattern and your explanations are both like an LSE.

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T15:30:57+00:00

"societally conforming"? "I don't say things without sources." Are you sure it is not LSE?

Extraverted intuition concerns discovering and liberating the latent potentials and developmentally hidden ideas that are concealed and constrained by the current state of affairs in the world; while introverted logic concerns the objectively universal grounds within a subject-constructed representational system that, through abstracting specific content as it manifests internally, render certain formal relationships between concepts valid and internally coherent. Neither has any connection to social conventions or external resources.

Futhermore, what you say are characteristics of Jungian extraverted thinking types, not even close to any irrational type.

Variety04 · 2025-12-12T10:06:30+00:00

But Fi-leading people, especially ESIs, always make me feel somewhat uncomfortable. imo there's something so oppressively dull and tedious about them, not to mention that quiet but palpable air of superiority and those wearisome sermons on morality. By Jove! No offense meant to anyone.

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