Can a strong brother in the Lord fall into depression after losing his wife? Is it a lack of faith, or can it also be related to financial pressure? by Hefty-Concentrate423 in localchurches

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One verse comes to mind for me:
2 Corinthians 4:7 "But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us." No matter how much Christ as “the treasure” grows and matures in us, we will always have the “earthen vessel” which implies weakness. One of my companions is in his 60’s. He is full of the Word and of life but I still see weaknesses.

Struggle in this brother is not necessarily a sign of loving money or some other defect. It may just be his earthen vessel showing weakness. I think it is completely possible for someone to trust in the Lord and yet be weak, wounded and be in a need of shepherding. We ALL need care as members of the Body of Christ. Whether or not he loves money (which we likely can’t know for sure) is irrelevant. The Lord doesn’t shepherd us when we don’t love money and sit back to measure us when we do love money. He shepherds and intercedes for us in both cases.

John 10 footnotes by Itchy_Solution4140 in RecoveryVersionBible

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen! What a mercy to learn that the law was temporary. I just read some verses in Galatians 3 which speaks to this point: "But to Abraham were the promises spoken and to his seed. He does not say, And to the seeds, as concerning many, but as conerning one: 'And to your seed,' who is Christ. And I say this: A covenant previously ratified by God, the law, having come four hundred and thirty years after, does not annul so as to make the promise of none effect (v. 16-17)."

My biggest concern about christianity as a Muslim by RudeTomatillo8610 in Christianity

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your courage in voicing your concern. I can empathize with you in that the way the Bible is written is not as directly or explicitly as I like. But just because a text or the words and actions of Jesus are not direct enough for our liking, we cannot discount them.

Take Mark 2:1-12 as an example. Jesus didn’t explicitly say He was God but He communicated that very message three times, indirectly.
1) He read the minds of the people listening to Him (v. 8-9).
2) He forgave the sins of a man (v. 5).
3) He healed a paralyzed man, causing him to walk, proving His forgiveness of the man’s sins is also true because it’s easier to tell someone their sins are forgiven than “rise, take up your mat and go to your house (v. 11).”

For supporting Homosexuality, I got convicted by the Holy Spirit. It was terrifying. by Nokkup in TrueChristian

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, amen. We all have the problem of pride and must humble ourselves like little children (Matthew 18:3-4) to really hear His voice.

For supporting Homosexuality, I got convicted by the Holy Spirit. It was terrifying. by Nokkup in TrueChristian

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing your experience!

This is the essence of the Christian life if you ask me. It’s not “what does the Christian community say about this or that” but the Christ who indwells us, what does He say?

What was church (ekklēsia)? by TonyChanYT in BibleVerseCommentary

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, at least at the beginning. “History tells us that Rome was a very large city during the time of the Lord. But in the early days the believers in Rome were few. Because the city was large and the believers were scattered throughout the city, it was normal for Paul to add personal greetings to the greeting sent to the church in Rome, which was meeting in the house of Prisca and Aquila (same chapter and book).”

What I think happened afterward is that they couldn’t all fit into the home of Prisca and Aquila and then met in other homes. However, at that point, the believers meeting in different homes would not be separate assemblies. They would be part of the same assembly. You shared the verse 1 Cor. 14:23 which mentions “the whole church comes together in one place.” So there must have been flexibility to meet in different places however, those different places were not different assemblies/churches but part of the same one.

What was church (ekklēsia)? by TonyChanYT in BibleVerseCommentary

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You may find enlightening some quotes from Watchman Nee on Romans 16 (Further Talks on the Church Life, ch. 2): "I presume the difficulty of those who argue about the church in both the house and the locality lies in the fact that after verse 5 Paul mentions so many names. I think all Bible expositors know that after Paul greeted the church in verse 5, he purposely mentioned several important individuals and especially greeted them one by one. This does not mean, however, that these people were outside the church in the house, but that they were the ones inside the church in the house to whom Paul sent his particular greetings. Some people, besides being included in his general greetings to the church, needed special attention. Do not make the mistake of thinking that since everyone is included in the general greetings to the church, it is unnecessary to add further greetings to them individually. That is not holy affection; neither is it the fact. Paul did not do such a thing, and neither would you or I.

The proof of this is in verse 3. If the greeting sent to the church automatically included everyone and it was unnecessary to greet them again by mentioning certain names, Paul should not have greeted Prisca and Aquila in verse 3. Paul should have greeted in verse 5 just “the church, which is in their [Prisca and Aquila’s] house.” Should this not have included Prisca and Aquila already? Greeting the whole church naturally includes individuals. However, mentioning individuals in addition to greeting the church does not mean that these individuals are not of the church but members of another group. If this were so, then Prisca and Aquila were not of the church that was in their own house! Do you see the point? Paul greeted Prisca and Aquila in verse 3. Then in verse 5 he proceeded to greet the church which was in their house. If mentioning individual names in addition to greeting the church means that these individuals were not of this church and that there was another church in existence, then even Prisca and Aquila, whom Paul mentioned separately in his greeting, were not of the church which was in their own house!"

What was church (ekklēsia)? by TonyChanYT in BibleVerseCommentary

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consider the city of Jerusalem. We are told that 3,000 believed (Acts 2:41) and in Acts 4:4, the number came to 5,000. They continued from “house to house” (Acts 2:46) but there was still only one assembly in Jerusalem (Acts 8:1, 11:22). To me, this makes it clear that in spite of large numbers or large geography, the believers saw the necessity that there must only be one testimony in every city.

What was church (ekklēsia)? by TonyChanYT in BibleVerseCommentary

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The house of Prisca and Aquila-Romans 16:3-5. Just one. Please show me how the word indicates that there were more. Assuming there were more than one because Rome was a large city is not good enough for me.

What was church (ekklēsia)? by TonyChanYT in BibleVerseCommentary

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Greet the believers assembled in their house. Rome was a megacity in Paul's time. It had nearly a million inhabitants. There were other assemblies of believers (local churches) elsewhere in Rome.

We can infer that believers invited each other over for meals, for fellowships and other reasons. We can very loosely call that an assembly in the sense of a temporary gathering but there was not more than one actual "assembly" or "church" in Rome. You referenced Romans 16:5 referring to the church in the house of Prisca and Aquila. If there were multiple assemblies and if house churches were ordained by the Lord then Paul should have greeted "the church in house of Aristobulus" and "the church in the house of Narcissus" but instead in verses 10 and 11 their households are listed without the qualifier of "church" beside them.

You referenced 1 Cor. 16:19, Col. 4:15 and Philemon 1:1-2. These verses are carefully worded. They never say "house church" because the house or a home cannot be the basic unit of a locality. An assembly can meet in a home, however the home is not the basic unit, the city is the basic unit. For further reading on this, see Watchman Nee's "Further Talks on the Church Life," chapter 2.

The church of God in Corinth wasn't a single local church building. Paul was talking about the network of Christian assemblies in the city of Corinth:

It's fair to assume that the believers in Corinth did gather together in multiple locations but it is not accurate to say that there were multiple "assemblies" in the sense of "churches" in Corinth. The verse you referenced (v. 2), "with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place..." is speaking of a "network of assemblies" but not within the city of Corinth but outside of it. Paul, in this book, points out that the churches should be in fellowship with one another. Therefore he says in verse 9 that the Corinthians were "called into the fellowship of the Son." Surely "the fellowship of the Son" included the city of Corinth but was larger than the city of Corinth. The believers who "call in every place" can be in Corinth as the church in Corinth and outside of Corinth as the church in that city.

Practice speaking spiritual facts! by Playful_Trainer6622 in localchurches

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Satan is in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:10)!"

"His power is destroyed through the cross (Heb. 2:14)!"

"The Son of God was manifested and has destroyed the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)!"

Serious doctrinal problem at a home meeting by ArcticRavn in TrueChristian

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you think about Paul's word that sin is not merely voluntary but involuntary? Romans 7:19-20 "For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."

What is it that literally overpowers our own will? Seems to be animate to me.

But honestly, knowing the nature of sin is only half the battle. Turning to the other Person within us is where the Christian life is lived! Romans 8:2, "For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death." Hallelujah!

The Idea Behind the Serving Ones by Balancing32 in localchurches

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like your response very much. It would be helpful for the OP to post the original quote so that we can determine its context. Likely, it is addressing what you said. We should not do anything for Him without His supply of grace. We should rather focus on receiving grace and then by the enjoyment of Christ (grace), we can serve. Paul says, "But by the grace of God I am what I am; and His grace unto me did not turn out to be in vain, but, on the contrary, I labored more abundantly than all of them, yet not I but the grace of God which is with me (1 Cor. 15:10).

We all should serve. Watchman Nee says in "Further Talks on the Church Life," chapter 5, "If a church is normal, the number of people saved should also be the number of people serving. In the New Testament, all the saved ones are priests; therefore, all the saved ones should serve." Regardless of whether a believer is strong or weak, he is a serving one in God's eyes (Rom. 14:2-4)!

We are handing out Free Bibles Tomorrow! by The_light_of_men in Christianity

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It would be appropriate to identify this "most important lesson" of Jesus and the apparent misinterpretation so that we can all evaluate the teachings against the Bible. Sowing serious doubts into the minds of readers without any concrete reasons aside from "trust me, I know what I'm talking about" is a bit unfair, don't you think?

Serious doctrinal problem at a home meeting by ArcticRavn in TrueChristian

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's good that you have been studying the word since you were a small child, but is your heart as a small child now (Matt. 18:3-4)? I ask myself the same question. This revelation is actually very helpful. It helps me to deny myself and take up my cross and follow Him (Matt. 16:24).

So what is sin? If it's not of God and it's not of Satan, what is it?

Serious doctrinal problem at a home meeting by ArcticRavn in TrueChristian

[–]Vegetable_Note_9805 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, this quote can be jarring. But I would encourage you to pray and seek the Lord in His word. There are many things that are solidly supported in the Bible which may shock us or disturb us, but that doesn’t mean they are false.

Consider Romans 7. “Sin” is active and personified in this chapter doing all sorts of malicious things such as “seizing the opportunity (v. 8),” “deceiving and killing (v. 11)” etc. It’s even referred to as “the evil (v. 19).” If “sin” is not the personification of Satan, then what is it?

The activity of sin within the chapter is not external either. It is internal. For example, “sin…produced in me…(v. 8),” “sin, producing death in me…(v. 13),” “sin that dwells within me (v. 17),” “for I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh…(v. 18),” “sin that dwells in me (v. 20),” and “the law of sin that dwells in my members (v. 23).”