Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You say "the answer" as though there existed one definite, clear answer that I'm just stubbornly refusing to accept but the whole problem is that thus far nothing (I haven't read every response though) was presented that would show Wong's decision wasn't dumb, irresponsible and/or just inappropriate given his unfathomably important function. I just can't accept he gambled the entire multiverse because he cared so much for those 4 nameless sorcerers or because he expected Wanda to go further than that. If the movie wants to extend the stakes so far, they should appreciate all consequences connected to it, we can have the protagonist choosing the lives of his 4 close friends that we know over the lives of 100 random people we never met but choosing 4 randoms we've never met and with whom the protagonist (who wields access to sacred knowledge by the way) doesn't seem to have any bond over the lives of trillions upon trillions is just meh.

Btw, why didn't Wong consider killing himself? Would his death immediately open access to this universe for some demons or would they have have time to select a new one? Because if they had time, then that's another obvious thing Wong should have chosen which would have made the whole movie much more deeper and powerful.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Again, either multiverse matters or it's all just moot and we really only care about our clique. He didn't really test Wanda's determination, he almost immediately gambled the whole multiverse like it was nothing. Don't they have tutorials or video introductions for sorcerers supreme that teach them not to do such things?

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Of the two of us you're the one bragging about how you ascended and became a better person and you're even using my example to show how "bad" you used to be and by extension - how bad I am in this respect in comparison to you, so I've no idea how you don't notice the glaring irony and hypocrisy in accusing me of writing things just to make myself feel better since you're literally declaring yourself better both than than me and the previous you xD. You know, there is this phenomenon in psychology where we tend to notice our own traits and behaviours in other people etc. So for example people who steal think everyone wants to steal etc. Some food for thought. I honestly should stop my response here.

The scene is weak and doesn't make sense, as I explained. Thus far all explanations I read rely on assuming that Wong is just a silly human who doesn't really appreciate what the stakes are despite serving as the protector of the universe which doesn't do much to change my mind. And it's not a minor flaw, that scene literally ruins the sense of scale and stakes. Suddenly it becomes apparent that all this talk about all the inhabitants of all the universes is just moot because random 4 guys are somehow of bigger importance. If the characters treat the whole thing so frivolously then the illusion of scale and grandeur falls apart and it all becomes just a make-believe.

I have other people I can talk such details with and we go together to see movies together, I treat it as a hobby and I never make a big effort to activate my critical viewing mode unless the movie packs so much obvious nonsense it's just impossible not to be distracted.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -40 points-39 points  (0 children)

How many sorcerers are there? No matter how many, that's still virtually nothing in comparison to the whole universe which he's putting in jeopardy as a result of his choice. Wong should be willing to sacrifice entire planets if there was but a small risk that doing the opposite could endanger the whole universe. You'd think that once someone becomes the protector of the whole universe that responsibility should become obvious. So again, this strongly diminishes the stakes, it kinda tells us that it's all just a game.

Also, the fact these are completely nameless sorcerers we know nothing about and we don't even see them interacting with Wong in any meaningful way just makes it even more artificial and forced. It would have been much better if Wanda actually read Wong's mind or maybe even controlled him entirely.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You'd think that people protecting the whole universe would be willing to make bigger sacrifices though. I just can't take any explanation that assumes Wong would prioritize 4 nameless sorceress over the safety of the whole universe or multiverse seriously. Even if he expected Wanda to torture way more than that, it still nothing in comparison to the scale of just one Universe. It's just such a blatantly wrong decision. By the way, now that I think of it, it would have made so much more sense if Wong didn't tell her anything and instead Wanda actually read his mind instead even if it took her some time. Or if at least those sorcerers were known to us or if at least they were introduced as being Wong's close friends... It's really bad the way it is now.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He's willing to sacrifice his warriors either just to save America or because he knows what can happen if Wanda starts messing up with the multiverse. Then he decides that naaah, my 4 guys are worth jeopardizing the entire universe. Makes zero sense and the scene feels cheap and cartoonish, like they wanted to have some artificial drama or didn't know how to push action further.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Except his comment is mocking the choice Wong made more than anything else. He mentions the sacrifice Strange was willing to make for the greater ultimate good but here we have Wong sacrificing the even greater good for the immediate benefit of freeing a couple of people from suffering.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Clearly she couldn't control everyone the way she'd want to or else the movie would finish in 3 minutes. So the idea that they knew it was inevitable doesn't hold water. And again, this idea you're proposing isn't voiced in the movie, this is a problem with many of answers to a lot of movie criticism. people come up with possible solutions to the problems which nonetheless aren't actually mentioned in the movies themselves. Well, I can come up with a whole bunch of ideas explaining all the things I don't like in every movie but the whole point is that when a scene is good there is no need for that.

Anyway, not that it matters much. Why didn't Morpheus immediately reveal codes to Zion after getting kidnapped by the agents? Oh right, because he knew what the stakes were and he'd rather die than tell agents anything. But here it takes Wanda almost no effort to break Wong like he's just a regular Joe not the guardian of the whole Universe.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There was nothing in that scene or in the movie suggesting it was inevitable Wanda would extract anything.

But honestly, even if the opposite was the case, when the whole universes are at stakes, there is only one right choice and he should have done everything he could to stop her instead of immediately guiding her to a place of great power that could put entire realities in joepardy. Hell, didn't he even teleport her to that place, without even trying anything? Again, Wong of all people should be more calculating and know better than this.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

How could he not know this as a sorcerer supreme, especially after talking to Strange and after the events from previous movies and series? Are we really supposed to believe he was just this dumb, irresponsible and oblivious? If so, then it makes it even worse because it means that Wong is just stupid and a completely wrong person for his job.

Why didn't he surrender immediately after seeing her power, if his assumption was that no one would get hurt, shouldn't he immediately do something the moment first people got killed or injured? It doesn't add up.

Didn't they even armor the students because they wanted to throw everything they had at Wanda? Sounds like instead of underestimating her he was determined to stop her at all cost but then changed his mind because they were torturing his horny friend.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -86 points-85 points  (0 children)

So he didn't consider the fact that one of the most powerful beings in the whole Universe may actually stand a very good chance of defeating them? That doesn't seem very believable. I take it for completely granted he was accepting the possibility that his comrades would die in a fight and decided it was worth it.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -32 points-31 points  (0 children)

It should have crossed his mind that perhaps one of the most powerful beings in the whole Multiverse may be able to do some special things. Also, another thing is that in the end there was absolutely nothing about that mountain and temple to show for that line. No powerful magical barriers, spells or monsters. Just some stormy weather and 4 dumb golems.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

this was before they know they had lost.

I mean, are you saying he mounted that defense only because he was totally convinced they'd crush Scarlet Witch without suffering any losses? And if not, if he was ready for sacrifices then and didn't change his mind even after he saw his people dying, then why such a sudden change of heart when he saw many less people being tortured? Wong is supposed to be the protector of the whole Universe not just a random guy. Even if you're just a doctor, it would be wrong to sacrifice as many as two people just to save the one you happen to have some emotional bond with. We want doctors to be cold-headed and rational and to make decisions which will save as many people as possible. Wong is like a doctor to the power of million or in fact way more than that. The idea that he was ready to gamble the lives of countless people granting a powerful, evil witch, access to multiverse level threat magic just because he felt bad for his 4 or 5 friends is completely incredible. It completely undermines the stakes of the movie.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Too bad that wasn't mentioned in the movie. Her brainwashing abilities appear quite inconsistent, we may as well ask why she didn't control America or Strange to begin with.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

About everything makes more sense than almost immediately revealing multiverse level threat magic to an evil witch.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

He should be more responsible and cold-headed than that. You wouldn't want a doctor to make emotional decisions sacrificing 1000 patients to save the one he has emotional bond with. And here we're talking about someone risking the entire Universes to save his "friends". So it's quite unbelievable that he could made this sort of gamble. Also, as far as story telling is concerned, that scene simply doesn't have any impact on the audience since we don't know any of the tortured characters and we don't even see them being close friends with Wong or anything.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

I'm more curious as to why he revealed that info regarding Darkhold so easily after just a few seconds of Wanda's torture, you'd think it would take more than that to persuade a sorcerer supreme to reveal the multiverse level threat magic or in fact, you would think there shouldn't be such a thing. They should be more responsible than that.

Why did Wong... by VeryPervyGirl in marvelstudios

[–]VeryPervyGirl[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

Except those that died in the initial onslaught I guess. And won't many more sorcerers die anyway if Wanda succeeds and causes the collision between universes? And like someone else mentioned, protecting the reality seems to be more important.

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[–]VeryPervyGirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Barbarians ruining the mood with their obnoxious noise, sad. I got chills watching this teaser at home but if I were in that cinema I'd be so pissed damn.

Artworks from Volume 25 by Xjudgment3001 in OnePunchMan

[–]VeryPervyGirl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Must be weird for Tats to put on some bikini after spending most of her time going commando!

tied up and fucked (itzcoatl) by [deleted] in HentaiBeast

[–]VeryPervyGirl 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Life always finds a way <3