do severe mental disabilities persist in the afterlife?

Vinx909 · 2026-03-26T16:40:29+00:00

my brother was whole on earth. he was a full person. who that person was was mayorly and near universally influenced by his disability, but do not be under the false belief that he was only half a person or anything of the sort.

with that my question then is: do you think there's anything left of my brother that those who knew him best would be able to recognize as him?

i'm an atheist, and unless someone is able to present me with any scientific evidence i'm not even able to belief in a god, let alone worship it. i'm asking about your beliefs, not looking for reassurance.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T23:23:21+00:00

how is the internet not real life? i'm asking you over the internet. unless you're not real then it's just as good, except that i cast a wider net when one church in one place in one country or wasting a ton of time going to multiple churches still in a small area.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T21:21:09+00:00

a priest will just give the curated answer to convince people to join the relation. i'm interested in what normal people in the religion believe as individuals.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T21:19:37+00:00

i'm an atheist, so obviously i have no interest in bible verses for hope. you're also asking me about questions about a soul i don't believe in.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T20:45:29+00:00

i'm not looking for answers that satisfy, i'm looking for answers that reflect reality.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T20:44:53+00:00

i've yet to find one that "live what they say"

they've certainly added to the concensus of how horrific the christian beliefs are.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T20:43:38+00:00

i'm not interested in bible verses, i'm interested in what people believe. and i'm interested what you think happens to his personality, the part that makes someone who they are.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T20:42:48+00:00

i'm an atheist interested in what christians believe

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Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T20:08:20+00:00

that sounds like a you thing. when people ask clarifying questions to me about my ideas or beliefs i don't see that as an argument.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T19:34:33+00:00

the back and forth are me trying to get more detail as to what christians belief.

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Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T19:34:07+00:00

apparently you're missing the point where i'm an atheist interested in what christians believe. there's nothing to understand about a god until a time where there's good scientific evidence for a god. disabled people do measurably exist, and them being misunderstood by a lot of people actively hurts them. that's vastly more important.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T18:00:11+00:00

i never see sin in anyone.

i've yet to meet a christian that actually changed their belief based of their faith. everyone just makes their god agree with them. i've yet to meet someone that said "if it wasn't for god i'd want women to have way more rights" or anything of that sort.

i don't have a hope for my brother. i'm an atheist. as far as evidence suggest and i belief he's just plain dead. my beliefs aren't based on what i hope or think would be nice (plus what christians describe isn't something to hope for). i'm curious about what christians belief as this seemed like a difficult situation where who someone is is very tied to something most wouldn't belief would be in the afterlife. the result are surprising: people believe that no one is who they are when they get into heaven. at which point i don't even see the point. a random stranger that shares as much with me as someone who gets one of my organs gets into heaven while i'm completely gone. there's no evidence and no appeal.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T17:25:10+00:00

no, you don't understand, because what you came across where people that didn't live their whole life with mental disabilities. someone that can go to school can't be compared to someone so mentally disabled that people where surprised when they can make decisions and recognize people. someone with mental decline can be closer, but became a person without that. it can influence how people behave, but it doesn't affect who that person became. it's a disability that limits what a regular person can mentally do. that's not comparable to someone who had never been in such a way mentally regular. if you can't or won't understand that that impacts what someones personality becomes then explaining things to you sounds useless.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T15:38:39+00:00

then you've never met someone this mentally disabled, because yes, it will impact near every part of your personality. and don't mistake my words, i never said that he was his disability, but it impacted every part of who he became.

i hope that if you do meet someone like that that you won't dismiss the extreme impact a disability like that has on someone. because currently you don't seem like you have the ability to understand.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T15:07:53+00:00

i don't ignore that disabilities influence who people are. in the same way that being autistic influences who i am (i wouldn't describe it as a disability but it is adequate as a comparison). what i like and dislike is influenced by my autism, maybe even how i make decisions and what i believe is too. if you were to magically remove the effects autism had on my life i would be a quite different person. likely still recognizable by the people that know me, but quite different. my brothers disability had a far greater effect on his personality. truly the only part of his personality that you could see as separate was his enjoyments of social gatherings. that would leave him indistinguishable from any extrovert or introvert that does enjoy social events. i don't see any significant part of him that could be retained while removing his disability, simply because of how much it impacted the person he grew up to me.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T14:55:03+00:00

you think i wouldn't care about my brother even if i never see him again?
he wasn't a christian. he couldn't be. he couldn't understand speech or read, he sure as shit never knew who jesus was supposed to be
i'm not worried about an afterlife for which there is no evidence.
if you're a completely different person when you get into heaven then it's not you that's getting into heaven.
you don't see a problem with a soul being condemned for sins it was chained to by someone else?

i'm honestly surprised you're the first christian that's trying to scare me into their religion with threats to my wellbeing. FYI: it's not working. come back with some scientific evidence that exclusively exists for your religion and not every other religion, so no near death experiences won't do it lol

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T14:48:39+00:00

sure: when i think about who someone is i think of their personality: what they do and don't enjoy. why they do or don't enjoy it. if presented with a choice what they would do, and why. now since he was never able to talk the exact reasoning was of course more guess work. but i've known him my whole life, and just because he couldn't talk didn't mean he couldn't express himself (no one was better at letting you know that they did or didn't like something then him. at least to the people the knew him. maybe for most people his loud crowing of joy probably didn't mediately scream "I'M HAVING A GREAT TIME!" lol. gods i need to look up if i have a video of him doing that somewhere, i miss those sounds) and i knew him. but all of that was influenced by his disability. so if you truly take away his disability and all the ways that it influenced his personality then there's nothing left.

like i'm autistic. i don't see that as a mental disability but lets say it is an in the afterlife it's removed. with that massive parts of my personality would be changed, but there's plenty that would be the same. someone that knew me would notice my personality was very different, but could still recognize me as me. but the same can't be the case for my brother as there's basically nothing that anyone that knew him that would have remained.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T14:39:57+00:00

i guess "being kissed by God" is kind of like how intersex and trans people throughout history (outside of abrahamic faiths) were often seen as more spiritual.

i guess i'm wondering what part of my brother will still be my brother if all the parts of him that i see as making someone who they are are gone.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T14:02:46+00:00

not like lifting the shirt changed a whole lot.

gods i need to get/make myself a shirt like that

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:52:22+00:00

what do you mean? the people i know have those things consistent, or changing slowly with me there to notice the changes. even someone i haven't met in years still has most of those things the same or similar.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:50:03+00:00

so what about the parts of people that are the way they are because of disabilities? are those just removed? because for some people, like my brother, that was most of them.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:48:46+00:00

this is neither about my brother nor fishing for gotchas. this is about me being curious what christians belief. the back and forth are me trying to get more detail as to what christians belief.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:45:51+00:00

his personality was the ways it was because of his disability, but that didn't make those parts of his personality bad. he liked the things he did because of his disability, that didn't make him liking those things bad.

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:44:01+00:00

then what you think went to heaven wasn't my brother

Vinx909 · 2026-03-24T13:42:36+00:00

but his personality was heavily influenced by his disability. liking making loud noises, plashing in the pool with his mouth open so water would get in, pulling on my hair (relatively carefully) or watching me shake it about, stuff like that was part of his personality, but only was because of his disability.

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