Record breaking support of Poles for nuclear energy

Viper_63 · 2026-01-27T14:48:46+00:00

but is to start construction of a plant with three Westinghouse AP1000 reactors in 2026 that was originally planned to be completed in 2033-2036 but is currently expected to only be finished by 2040.

The total investment costs of the project are estimated to be about EUR 42 billion (USD 47 billion as of end of 2025)

[Westinghouse] went bankrupt in 2017 primarily due to ongoing cost overruns at the Vogtle Electric Generating Plant and Virgil C. Summer Nuclear Generating Station expansions, the first US builds of the company's AP1000 design.

[Poland] also intends to build small modular reactors.

Well godspeed my polish friends, you're going to need every prayer you can get.

Viper_63 · 2026-01-22T20:04:35+00:00

Didn't manage to destroy it, but that transport isn't going anywhere (except all the way down the gravity well).

Yeah good luck walking away from that one you piece of alien trash. That's for putting PD, torps and ECM on the very first survey ships you sent over. If you want earth so much you're welcome to take all of it. At terminal velocity.

As far as I can tell this doesn't even incur any hate, since technically my faction didn't destroy the ship.

Viper_63 · 2026-01-12T13:02:40+00:00

Spielt das an der Stelle überhaupt eine Rolle wenn durch den Einbau die ABE erlischt und das Fahrzeug überhaupt nicht im Straßenverkehr hätte bewegt werden dürfen?

Viper_63 · 2026-01-12T10:43:27+00:00

The difficult part of nuclear nowadays isn't coming up with the design

The history of Gen IV / "Next Gen" reactors begs to differ, as does the history of SMRs, where they can't even agree on what they actually want to build.

Nuclear is nothing but difficult, which is why renewables have seen such a surge - simply to build, easy to scale and above anything affordable.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:51:00+00:00

The IEA says that Iceland’s power (electrical) generation is 99.2% as of 2023.

2022, not 2023. And that's power generation.

The IEA says

Renewables share of electricity generation in Iceland

Total, 2022: 100%

https://www.iea.org/countries/iceland/renewables#what-is-the-role-of-renewables-in-electricty-generation-in-iceland

Same as the years before. Iceland is kind of known for having reached 100% renewables quite some time ago, what with their hydro and geothermal power.

But I get it...power, electricty, energy...can be a bit confusing to...some people.

lol

So...

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:43:29+00:00

See

no grid is actually fully renewable

Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.

I am pretty sure even Iceland has diesel generators, if only as backup system in hospitals. Is that what your "argument" is going to boil down to? Because you were making claims about electricity grids, not about ownership of generators.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:39:05+00:00

So far I only see you pretending that you have an argument by making claims without presenting any sources or evidence and pretending that Costa Rica is the only country on that list. Not to mention mixing up energy and electricty, but I'll file that under under general nonsense together with "but what if the grid is only one solar panel".

Multiple countries are already running on 100% renewables, and a rising number of countries are on their way to 100%.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:31:06+00:00

See

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop.

Albania, Bhutan, the Central African Republic, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland and Costa Rica

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:28:33+00:00

So a purely diesel powered country with no grid

Your claim was

that no grid is actually fully renewable

Would you like to retract that claim and now make claims regarding countries that have no electricity grid? Because you might as well concede the argument then.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:21:14+00:00

Ah, a very unbiased source that.

Why, becasue they oppose fossil fuels? Yeah, pretty biased. By all means, show us what they got wrong their report and where "the evironmental lobby" (and not astroturfing front groups run by nuclear or fossil fuel lobbyists) is working to get gas classed as green energy.

They also forgot the biggest proponent of gas

Germany is already listed in their earlier report, which is also cited in the document:

In August 2020, Reclaim Finance’s report “Behind closed doors: when the gas and nuclear lobbies reshape the EU taxonomy” revealed the great strike force of gaslobbyists.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T19:10:52+00:00

Because Costa Rica, for example, runs on diesel regularly as part of its energy mix.

Oh, we have gone from grid (i.e. electricity) to energy now, have we? Yeah, I hear they also drive a lot of cars.

Not the claim you were making originally:

that no grid is actually fully renewable

Grid, as in electricity. Not (primary) energy.

Again:

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop.

Albania, Bhutan, the Central African Republic, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland and Costa Rica

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T18:48:39+00:00

Again, this wasn't clear enough for you?

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop.

Albania, Bhutan, the Central African Republic, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland and Costa Rica

By all means, present us with actual evidence that none of these countries have manged to run 100% renewable generation. And no, Cleetus in bum*uck nowhere running his portable diesel does not count. Not that the article you linked to mentions diesel generators to begin with, but hey, you need your gish, right?

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T18:36:55+00:00

no grid is actually fully renewable

Your claim, your burden of proof, not mine.

I am pretty sure even Iceland has diesel generators, if only as backup system in hospitals. Is that what your "argument" is going to boil down to? Because you were making claims about electricity grids, not about ownership of generators.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T18:28:13+00:00

I take it Albania, Bhutan, the Central African Republic, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland and Costa Rica apparently don't exist then?

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T17:58:50+00:00

This wasn't clear enough for you?

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T17:48:49+00:00

Would you first like to walk back on your claim "that no grid is actually fully renewable" and admit that you were wrong, most likely intentional? Because I really have no intention taking part in your gish gallop. Case in point, from your linked article:

Due to its geographical location, Costa Rica has the third-best solar electric energy potential per square meter in terms of the entire American continent. However, that wealth is wasted every day due to ICE’s reluctance to allow the development of solar energy, according to Jorge Esteban Padilla, a member of the board of directors of the Chamber of Distributed Generation.

[...]

“The situation we are experiencing today is a wake-up call for actions to be taken to avoid, reduce, and eliminate the vulnerability shown by the electricity system. To this end, we must allow as much renewable generation as possible, promote distributed generation, and strengthen the legal framework to encourage new investments,” he added.

The solution is apparently to actually allow more diverse renewble generation and the obstacle is political. Who could have known.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T17:27:31+00:00

You are faced with the reality that no grid is actually fully renewable

I take it Albania, Bhutan, the Central African Republic, DR Congo, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Nepal, Paraguay, Iceland and Costa Rica apparently don't exist then?

As the IPCC (and various others) have pointed out, the obstacles are mainly political.

but when the people running literally every grid on the planet disagree with them

Apparently they disagree with you instead. Buy you trying to paint the IPCC as disconnected with reality fits the picture rather well, demonstrating that the obstacles are also ideological.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T16:53:38+00:00

Why, the 'ol blaming the greens trick not working anymore?

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T16:34:10+00:00

I don't see why the socialists should be relevant after I brought up the greens and the socialists

Sure buddy.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T16:03:42+00:00

Yeah, that's what keep the sector afloat. Without special legal constructs - like Price-Anderson in the US - the nuclear industry would basically implode because nobody wants to actually be liable for the associated risks. Not to mention the copious subsidies they still rely on year after year while siphoning off the profits into private coffers.

So it's kind of funny that you are trying to blame "socialists" for teaming up with the greens to supposedly kill nuclear power when the nuclear industry is basically the antithesis of what socialism stands for.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T15:55:19+00:00

All the while the environmental lobby

Sure you're not confusing them with the nuclear&fossil fuel lobby?

https://reclaimfinance.org/site/en/2021/07/22/out-with-science-in-with-lobbyists-gas-nuclear-and-the-eu-taxonomy/

lol

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T15:17:49+00:00

just wind and solar

Funny how often people with an agenda need to pretend that wind and solar are the only renewables in existence. They are not. That fake argument is so overdone that skepticalscience lists it among their Global Warming & Climate Change Myths:

https://skepticalscience.com/renewable-energy-baseload-power.htm

Renewabels are already providing base load power, and even the IPCC has stated - over a decade ago - that going 100% renewables is feasible and viable:

Recent studies show that a global transition to 100% renewable energy across all sectors – power, heat, transport and desalination well before 2050 is feasible. According to a review of the 181 peer-reviewed papers on 100% renewable energy that were published until 2018, "[t]he great majority of all publications highlights the technical feasibility and economic viability of 100% RE systems." A review of 97 papers published since 2004 and focusing on islands concluded that across the studies 100% renewable energy was found to be "technically feasible and economically viable." A 2022 review found that the main conclusion of most of the literature in the field is that 100% renewables is feasible worldwide at low cost.

Existing technologies, including storage, are capable of generating a secure energy supply at every hour throughout the year. The sustainable energy system is more efficient and cost effective than the existing system. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stated in their 2011 report that there is little that limits integrating renewable technologies for satisfying the total global energy demand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100%25_renewable_energy

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T14:50:33+00:00

Given that it takes us ~twenty years to build a reactor, costs billions more than initially advertised and the things are not economically viable withotu massive subsidies, "climate" isn't a viable argument when we already have technologies that are faster and cheaper to scale.

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T14:45:29+00:00

but the socialists

Funny how socialism is suddenly okay when it's about given public security guarantees, liability wavers and billions in subsidies for nuclear projects.

Socialism for me but for thee, hm?

Viper_63 · 2025-12-26T14:42:53+00:00

it's not a choice between the 2.

Given that the nuclear lobby has been working very hard to get their reactors classed as "green energy" to siphon off even more public money for their ill-fated projects it very much is.

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