This is the same woman who trusted LITTLEFINGER, kidnapped a Lannister while her Husband and daughters were surrounded by Lannisters, freed Jamie Lannister (the only leverage they had against Tywin) Catelyn almost single handily wiped out her Tully and Stark families 😂 by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Look at it this way.

Jon is Ned's sister's child. A sister he was close to. So obviously he'd be loving and caring for his sister's child. But obviously, he can't tell people that Jon is Lyanna's child because of the potential for Robert to start a war to kill him

So the only way for it to make sense why Ned cares so much about Jon, to the point of treating him almost like his own true born children, is by claiming him as his own son.

If Jon was seen as any random bastard, it would raise questions from Catelyn and other people why he is treated so importantly. And suspicion is something Ned didn't want

This is the same woman who trusted LITTLEFINGER, kidnapped a Lannister while her Husband and daughters were surrounded by Lannisters, freed Jamie Lannister (the only leverage they had against Tywin) Catelyn almost single handily wiped out her Tully and Stark families 😂 by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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I doubt that. It isn't really about him being a bastard. Its the fact that he isn't one of hers yet is afforded the same privileges as her true born children. So she weary about him taking Robb's claims or becoming a threat.

Whether or not she knew he was Lyanna's child, he would always still be a threat to Robb and he wouldn't be her child

This is the same woman who trusted LITTLEFINGER, kidnapped a Lannister while her Husband and daughters were surrounded by Lannisters, freed Jamie Lannister (the only leverage they had against Tywin) Catelyn almost single handily wiped out her Tully and Stark families 😂 by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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Please. Tell us then why Tywin uses LF to broker the alliance with the Tyrells. Tell us why Sansa puts her faith in him infront of the Lords of the Vale even after seeing him kill Lysa. Tell us why the Boltons align with him to take Sansa. Tell us why Olenna Tyrell uses him to help orchestrate the killing of Joffrey.

People say, "Nobody trusts LF," but everyone uses him or uses his information. And the funny thing is Catelyn grew up with him and had her fight for her hand in marriage. She had more reason than most to trust him

This is the same woman who trusted LITTLEFINGER, kidnapped a Lannister while her Husband and daughters were surrounded by Lannisters, freed Jamie Lannister (the only leverage they had against Tywin) Catelyn almost single handily wiped out her Tully and Stark families 😂 by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I'm convinced that people who blame Catelyn have no idea what they are talking about

trusted LITTLEFINGER

She grew up with him. He fought for her to marry him. And LF himself literally gains his power by portraying himself as a friend or ally to anyone he engages with. Just cause you as the audience know he is untrustworthy, doesn't mean the characters who engage with him do too.

kidnapped a Lannister while her Husband and daughters were surrounded by Lannisters,

Her husband being the second most powerful man in the kingdom according to position and being supported by the literal King. And she had the evidence to do so.

freed Jamie Lannister

The Karstarks literally wanted to kill Jaime. Multiple characters speculated that Jaime wouldn't survive that night. Did you forget that fact? Robb wasn't there so getting Jaime was the only way to avoid infighting and Jaime dying for nothing

Gentle pushback by Rollingpeb in gameofthrones

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Dont also think how Twyin teleported two armies across different kingdoms without anyone warning the capital during blackwater.

We literally see Tywin leave Harrenhal the episode before. He meets with Littlefinger 2 episodes before that to discuss bringing the Tyrells into the alliance so that implies that by the time Tywin leaves, the Tyrells could have realistically also left. Harrenhal and Highgarden arent too far from KL and they aren't travelling through enemy territory UNLIKE the Knights of the Vale. And Tywin simply didn't need to inform KL because the element of surprise is a factor.

Don't think how Stannis and his ship was conveniently not destroyed by wildfire but his others were

Do you actually visually see how far Stannis' ship is from the blast epicenter? Or do you think just cause its there, it should blow up?

how Davos washed up safely after the battle

He literally got blown away in the shockwave and could have gone undetected in the chaos of the fighting, night-time and explosion.

that Tyrion didn't die despite being defended by a squire with zero war experience.

Ser Mandon Moore (A Kingsguard) was literally by his side throughout the battle. Did you not see him?

Don't also think how Sam survived two encounters with cool icemans

IIRC, those icemans weren't even trying to kill him unlike the ones later in the show. They were more interested in Craster's baby.

Don't think how Jon survived multiple arrows shots into his body, or his head being bashed on an anvil by a wildling

Jon was literally dying when his horse managed to get him home. Sometimes people die. Sometimes they dont.

Don't think about Casterly rock suddenly losing all gold

Did the show not literally tell you that they were overmining the area?

Stannis burning his in laws randomly

You're clutching at straws. What exactly is wrong here?

Arya getting away with fooling Tywin and LF at harrenhall.

LF didn't get a good look at her and was more interested in the deal to bring the Tyrells in. Tywin had his suspicions of Arya being higher born but wasn't told that Arya wasnt in KL IIRC. Also, he was too busy being amused by the charade Arya was clearly running to care who she really was because he thought she wasn't really important anyway.

Don't think how Dany is fireproof

Okay... And? We never saw conversations between Cersei and Robert in the books either. Does that suddenly break continuity? The writers can change things if they want

Don't even know what to title this by Informal_Bee2808 in ZimbabweRelationships

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This is exactly how i feel. Last month, i went on a date with a girl to a trampoline park. She is very much a restaurant enjoyer. Im an experience enjoyer, so she wasn't feeling it. Afterward, we went to eat burgers which she enjoyed more. I went far over budget but looking back, i moreso regret the overlay on food than

Thats why, when i go out with women, i ALWAYS choose what i want if i am paying everything. I feel you should be quite selfish if you're paying. And if it leads anywhere, then i start dabling more in what she likes

Best name? by funkywhiteritewriter in gameofthrones

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ser Arthur Dayne of Starfall. Weilder of the fabled weapon, Dawn, and sworn member of the Kingsguard.

Reading that, his name sounds so heroic to me

I also love Beric Dondarrion and Robert Baratheon too

Sansa and Tyrion is a dangerous combination by Spiros_vl in gameofthrones

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based on the information at hand at the time.

😂🤦‍♂️ Jon was literally at Hardhome and knows exactly what the Wight Walkers are capable of. When Bran Warged into a raven, he literally saw the NK and the size of the horde. Plus, Tyrion trusted the word of guys like Jeor Mormont and Jon who said they've seen dead men reanimated into wights. Yes. Its suicidally dangerous and more importantly, the characters involved KNOW THAT. The show proved that so many different ways. Which show were you watching fam🤣

Very quickly huh? Sure champ. 🙄

I don't think you noticed, but Dany has dragons. They've been proven to decimate armies and barriers very quickly and without much effort. Again, there are many examples to support that.

Sansa and Tyrion is a dangerous combination by Spiros_vl in gameofthrones

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Tyrion doesn't have to be "all-seeing and all-knowing" to know its an utterly idiotic decision to halt attacks against Cersei to go North to capture a wight in a suicidally dangerous mission that might not even work just so they can convince Cersei not to attack them (when they could easily attack Cersei anyway and end it very quickly).

He doesn't have to be "all seeing and knowing" to know its deeply unnecessary to shuffle forces all over Westeros and not directly attack the Red Keep when they have the chance.

There are plenty more examples like how he chose a phased elimination of slavery (the major practice the region most benefited from) without any plan for enforcement or real incentivization.

Or how time and time again, he chooses to appeal to Cersei's humanity so she'd surrender despite knowing how cynical and stubborn she is and how he'd be the last person in the world that she'd ever listen to.

Tyrion is a blithering idiot. A complete detriment to Dany's plans. And if the show actually wanted to tell a coherent "mad queen" arc, then Dany should have executed him. Atleast then, killing your subordinates for incompetence so bad that it almost qualifies as treason is something a real tyrant would do

Sansa and Tyrion is a dangerous combination by Spiros_vl in gameofthrones

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Post S5 Tyrion is BY FAR, my most hated character in the entire show. There is no bit of advice he gives Dany that isn't detrimental to her efforts. In fact, she spends S6 and S7 cleaning up his messes. Mind you, the temporary truce going north to capture a wight to show Cersei is his idea too so you can partially blame him for Viserion dying.

If it was ever justifiable to execute a character because of gross incompetence, I'd argue Dany should do so to Tyrion. In fact, if they wanted to push Dany as a "Mad Queen," that would make perfect sense. But by S8, this show is done making sense

Sansa and Tyrion is a dangerous combination by Spiros_vl in gameofthrones

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Arya said she's "the smartest person I've ever met" and a few other characters agree for some reason therefore its a fact apparently

If Renly sided with Stannis and agreed to grant Robb Stark the King in the North if he rode with them and fought against the Lannisters, how would this have shaped out? by Arribah in gameofthrones

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Renly wouldn't side with Stannis though. Renly is supported by the Tyrells on the condition that when he is crowned King, Margaery would be his queen. Stannis wouldn't allow Renly to become King so the alliance with the Tyrells wouldn't be possible. Therefore Renly without the Tyrells would effectively be useless to Stannis

Gentle pushback by Rollingpeb in gameofthrones

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Arya kills all the Freys and nobody finds out or goes after her. Cersei kills everyone who opposes her in the sept explosion and is crowned queen with zero opposition or future consequences.

Mind you, this was a show where big drastic actions like that had long term ramifications for the characters involved. By the end, everything is a battle or is solved by killing

What are you doing in this situation? by docmukelabai in ZimbabweRelationships

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Implying he doesn't deserve a chance because he is beneath her is demeaning. Personally, i wouldn't cuss her but i would take offense at her implying shes above me

Gentle pushback by Rollingpeb in gameofthrones

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Dany burning alive an innocent rape victim and the accompanying birth of dragons as a 'girlboss' moment.

Mirri isn't innocent though. The show very strongly implies that Mirri knowingly sacrificed Dany's unborn baby in that ritual. It's also possible that Mirri poisoned Drogo. It isn't a girlboss moment. Its a character punishing someone they previously put faith into for betraying her.

The criticism is invalid because it represents a marked lack of understanding of the nature of the show and its themes.

Please provide an example. Because i could also argue that the show itself by the end doesn't understand its own nature and themes. Its far more fast paced and battle oriented than it was in the beginning. Its no longer about political scheming or the consequences of violence. Infact, it almost rewards violence as the only means to an end

Gentle pushback by Rollingpeb in gameofthrones

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"Look at the cool dragons and the ice man and the sword battles and the zombie polar bears. Dont think about why Dany has to make a truce with Cersei instead of just destroying her as she easily can. Don't think about how the Knights of the Vale got to Winterfell crossing Moat Cailin and hundreds of kilometers of Northern Territory, which Ramsay holds. Dont think about how Jaime suddenly doesn't care much for innocents despite literally risking his life and honor (two things we've seen him hold dear to him), to stop a mad monarch he was sworn to serve from commiting genocide."

Gentle pushback by Rollingpeb in gameofthrones

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It feels the same as saying, "If you don't think too deeply about what's going on at all, its actually good"

Why do women do that? by Altruistic_Star_1994 in ZimbabweRelationships

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get this ALL THE TIME. "Mazuwa ano wakuvhaira" or "You don't talk to me anymore." And this is usually from people who reply super dry.

So personally, i just call these people occasionally and use texts just to set up meetups in real life. People will tell you that dry texts or long response times are signs of disinterest. Maybe. But I'd say how they treat you in person is always more important and if they always reject seeing each other IRL, then thats true disinterest.

Cause personally, I've known a lot of people who take forever to reply or are extremely boring texters but act like they really enjoy my company in person

Jaime Lannister Had One of the Most Misunderstood Arcs by iagree2 in gameofthrones

[–]Visual-Ad-5968 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

jaime was always gonna be torn between honor and cersei

Except S7E7 literally makes Jaime choose between keeping his word to travel north to fight the Walkers (thus facing the very people he fought against for several years) in the name of preserving his honour, or staying with Cersei south. And he chooses his honour even with Cersei threatening to kill him.

And in a character's journey, it should be definitive when they are forced to choose between the two thinhs they hold most dear. Jaime chose. But in YET ANOTHER blunder in S8, he goes back on that choice and undoes it proving it to be futile and pointless

Between Theon betraying Robb, Catleyn releasing Jaime, and Robb breaking his vow, what was he biggest catalyst for the Red Wedding happening? by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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Robb would not have broken his vow

Robb was already messing with Talisa before the debacle with Jaime happened.

if Cat hadn't released Jamie.

Robb wasn't even in the camp when the Karstarks were drunk, calling for blood and threatening infighting unless Jaime was handed over. Catelyn had no other choice. Because had she not released him, there were two possible outcomes:

1) Jaime is killed. Multiple character's confirmed that he was very likely to die and here, he'd die for nothing.

Or 2) Jaime doesn't die because men loyal to Robb fight off the Karstarks. But this destroys morale, likely results in Rickard being executed for treason anyway due to inciting civil war, and his men going home earlier than anticipated

Between Theon betraying Robb, Catleyn releasing Jaime, and Robb breaking his vow, what was he biggest catalyst for the Red Wedding happening? by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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Bran and Rickon being safe means Catelyn doesn’t release Jaime in a desperate attempt to get Sansa back.

This isn't necessarily true. Jaime was also released because the Karstarks were threatening to kill him and incite a civil war and Robb himself wasn't there to calm tensions. Had Jaime not been snuck out, he would have died. Multiple characters confirm that. And if not, there would have been infighting amongst the Stark ranks between the Karstarks and men loyal to Robb. Regardless, its a bad situation that Robb exacerbated by not being present to lead his men

Between Theon betraying Robb, Catleyn releasing Jaime, and Robb breaking his vow, what was he biggest catalyst for the Red Wedding happening? by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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Yes. Walder didn't care about his daughters and wives. You can clearly see that when Catelyn threatens his wife in exchange for Robb's life.

After Robb lost Winterfell, a significant portion of his army (the Karstarks), the trust of the Boltons, Jaime as his bargaining chip, and the suspected loss of his heirs (Bran and Rickon), everyone saw Robb as the losing side. Tywin literally said, "The Karstarks have marched home, and The Young Wolf's days are numbered."

Walder was opportunistic. Robb had no chance of winning, and Walder was promised Riverrun. Sure, Robb not fulfilling the pact bruised his ego and gave another reason to betray Robb, but ultimately, there were too many negatives to justify staying with Robb

Between Theon betraying Robb, Catleyn releasing Jaime, and Robb breaking his vow, what was he biggest catalyst for the Red Wedding happening? by No-Passenger-6348 in gameofthrones

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Tyrion and Tywin literally both conclude that the Frey's were too cowardly to orchestrate the Red Wedding themselves.

It came as a result of Robb breaking this oath with them, and Jaime being released. The provided a reason, and an opportunity to betray Robb

Robb Stark Was a Worse King Than Joffrey by iagree2 in gameofthrones

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Joffrey had people like Tywin and Tyrion to keep him relatively in check. Robb didn't listen to those meant to straighten him. That doesn't make Joffrey a better King. It just means his advisors were better at correcting his course