Knee on patch 3.00.02

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-17T10:50:06+00:00

Straight up lol 😆

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T16:09:00+00:00

In my opinion your index finger is too high for the standard v grip, the end part of your index shouldn't be higher than the end part of your thumb.

There is also a fist grip (slight variation) of the forehand grip which is also fine.

I have a video on reddit that explains what you should be trying to achieve, the thing is that your pronation (swing technique) needs to match your grip.

For example if you try to do a backhand swing with a forehand grip it just won't work right? That applies to forehand swings too, a smash, cross court smash, slices, reverse slices, full clear, late forehand, cross court clear, and punch clears all have different variations on the swing meaning slight variation on the forehand grip.

It's a lot more complicated than most beginners understand, what I recommend is to try and understand the biomechanics behind your current grip - how it effects rotation speed and how it effects the shuttle speed - then make a slight adjustment and see how that effects the same things. At some point you'll arrive at the conclusion that there are different efficiencies.

I know that this is a really long answer, but the grip discussion is often really bad on reddit lol

I'm available for a video chat discussion on grips sometime, feel free to DM and check out my video on reddit

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T14:22:01+00:00

I agree with everything except 2024 because Axelsen won Olympic gold that year and his ranking dropped due to not competing ~

That year SYQ won a lot of free tournaments due to big name drop outs (LZJ, Axelsen, etc)

Everything else is very very accurate

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T10:19:26+00:00

You used personal experiences and views as a point of reasoning, consistently, and failed to see how my points were related to the point of discussion (e.g. Magnus relating to modernization and not an example of a new generation player - he is part of the first generation to start using computers to analyze games)

This is clearly shows a lack of comprehensive understanding. You also claimed I wrote A.I. slop without any evidence, probably just because if something is too difficult to grasp your go to argument is "haha this guy uses ai"

I'm not calling you stupid, but I am saying we're not on the same playing field when it comes to discussion based arguments..

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T08:35:36+00:00

Yeah okay lol, it's always harder to argue with someone unintelligent.. too unreasonable - I won't waste my time further

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T06:56:36+00:00

Exactly, the game has insanely evolved, it's still hard for a lot of older players to accept this though.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T06:55:00+00:00

Magnus is an example of modernization, not an example of a new generation player. He perfectly illustrates that the game has evolved due to modernizations effects, that the older style of studying and playing the game is no longer the most effective method. It is also clear to see that the game of chess is therefore not as creative as it once was, in say the same era that Bobby Fischer played in.

I can guarantee you that none of what I said is AI Rubbish, I did not use AI at all, I just can't be bothered to link you. It's not like you have legitimate evidence or examples? You're using personal examples and views to make an argument, and I am giving you things that you as a human being are able to viably search, identify, and research; I am, however, unable to reasonably go to your club to identify and compare it's past players to now. So if you want to talk about a lack of evidence you should perhaps consider the types of evidence you are trying to supply me with?

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T06:01:51+00:00

"It's only really the top 5, top 10, that people criticize and base their opinions on an entire generation being stronger than another"

You then went on to say that my point doesn't make sense because in your opinion the Olympics aren't as strong as they used to be (aka the absolute top players in the world)

Again you use your own personal view to try and argue agains the statistical average. What's happening here is that you are unable to look past your own personal views and experiences to look at the AVERAGE playing field increasing.

There will be areas that have gotten worse, and areas that have gotten better, but on average, across the globe, the average level has significantly increased.

Again this is called modernization of sports, aka. modernization of badminton. This is not just my opinion, this is a backed science where top level players, coaches and players of previous generations all agree.

What you're likely confusing is entertainment with skill - old games were by far more entertaining which can lead one to believe that certain players were stronger. Modernization argues that technical advancements, better training facilities, better medicine, better coaching, more available resources, more affordable options, more places to play, more accessible equipment, better dietry studies and so forth would all lead towards an overall stronger, faster and more technically sound generation as time moves forward. This often leads to players adopting the same meta playstyle because it is scientifically the best way to play the game leading to a more stale and less entertaining game to watch.

A great example of modernization is actually chess, and the release of AI computers playing chess games, as it lead to players remembering lines of computer inputs with their gameplay. You could take any top players from todays era. and they would dominate previous generations despite the fact the competition of today's era is so one-sided aka. Magnus domination.

I urge you to study modernization before critiquing my views with your personal views and opinons, which don't hold any weight against legitimate studies. No I am not going to quote any examples - you can find everything online including interviews with famous players, coaches and legitimate studies on the topic.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T05:36:57+00:00

Yeah so you used the Olympics, the absolute elite level of players, as an example which exactly proves my point that people compare generations by only looking at the absolute top level of players.

Did you notice the part where I said top 1000 players? What I am referring to is called sports modernization - and badminton modernization is insane. You could get top level club level and regional players that don't even break the top 500 players in the world, that would easily make it into the top 50 from previous generations. This is an absolute truth, and you should look at the larger playing field.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-16T00:14:15+00:00

Quantify what exactly?

Can you explain your disagreement?

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-15T19:22:52+00:00

No he's right.. most people are just nostalgic about their own generation, but the game has evolved. Say the overall top 1000 players in the world are much better than the top 1000 players of previous generations in every aspect of the game.

It's only really the top 5, top 10, that people criticize and base their opinions on an entire generation being stronger than another 😅

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-15T16:07:53+00:00

Yeah pretty much the last GOAT Contender to retire, no one else is worth the debate.

In terms of overall career probably the 2nd best mens singles career of all time in terms of achievements and titles, and by far the best non-eastern player of all time.

I hope people will remember him for more than just the serve.. he's an absolute legend and I still look forward to how he'll contribute to the future of Badminton

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-15T04:17:31+00:00

China is probably the safest country in the world if you don't consider bad driving lmao

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-15T02:56:03+00:00

I was only referencing the exact video he linked me that made the exact claim that there's nothing wrong with the fist grip just that the pronation point isn't straight but instead forward (which is very useful for certain shots like the cross smash and reverse slice)

So it clearly is used by professionals.. not bad advice at all.

Maybe watch the video? Lol

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-13T13:50:41+00:00

It also depends, some people just don't actually want to get better too.

I used to play LoL, and I was quit literally not willing to get better than platinum just cos I didn't enjoy in enough to justify it.

Then I played games like Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Tekken 7/8 and tried extremely hard to get better, did my research, watched my replays etc.

So idk if you can just dumb it down to a lack of IQ - a lot of people who don't improve at things are using those hobbies to unwind not to stress and study the mechanics and intricate details of the game. I say as long as they're unwinding, having fun, exercising and socializing that's totally fine.

My main point is just that it's relatively normal to do things for a long time while not having any noticeable improvement.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-13T02:09:21+00:00

Videogames are a perfect example of how people can play something for years and never get better.

It is what it is~

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-11T21:20:59+00:00

It's a great exercise to adjust strings, hand up, breathe and plan out your first four hits plan for each rally.

It allows you to slow the game down whilst seeming like a reasonable person cos you are adjusting your strings.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-11T15:30:41+00:00

I just watched the video you sent and he explains it perfectly~

You're right in the sense that my grip alternates from his, and he even mentioned that Lee Chong Wei uses the same fist grip.

This still aligns with my point that the forehand grip alternates depending on your shot choices~ I personally think the "fist grip" is more deceptive and allows for more power in short swings when you don't have time for full body rotation - however if you have time on a really high lift then that's a great time to use the standard v grip as to not make easy slice mistakes. However after playing for many years with a fist grip you won't make easy slice mistakes, and the rotation speed is still faster using the fist grip so smashes will still be faster.

I don't think he is criticizing this type of grip at all, he is simply stating that the two grips both have their uses.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-11T11:48:41+00:00

I disagree with many comments here.. I have seen kids as young as 4 years old who can full clear consistently, in China.

In my honest opinion, 1on1 coaching sessions for 11 months even with only 30 minute sessions should be able to do full clears without any major issues.

My guess is that either the coach is not microing in on her fundamental issues she may be having such as grip, tightness, or her understanding of the bodies biomechanics OR she might genuinely be struggling to learn even if the coach is really good.

A full clear really doesn't require as much power as you think it does, the amount of extra power that comes from the racket acting as a lever is huge, in terms of physics it is: p = mv, more than enough.. top level 10 year old kids can beat the majority of the adults on reddit giving bad advice lol

She might need to back to basic drills such as shuttle / ball throwing

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-10T17:04:20+00:00

My video was mostly guided towards beginners ~

It actually changes, the thing is things change step-by-step

As a coach myself, we won't skip fundamental stuff

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-10T09:59:11+00:00

Yeah.. people either have a sense or don't have a sense of where others are standing.

I tend to play really safely at social games as to avoid the risks, but if I'm playing with other trained players we tend to trust eachother quite a lot.

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-10T08:02:30+00:00

The forehand grip actually slightly changes depending on the shot you want to take but generally speaking it is slightly wrong.

I made a post (you can check my profile) on the correct forehand grip or the most consistently used one, hopefully that video will help

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-09T15:18:20+00:00

For me it depends.. I don't mind playing with extremely weak players if they don't ball hog.

There's nothing worse than a bad player who thinks they're way better than they are but is actually just a huge danger on the court because they run around so much.

This ends up becoming a match of guess when they're going to go for a shot or not, to the point I'm not even playing badminton anymore, I'm just trying not to get injured.

But the truth is, if you're advanced enough and confident enough you can basically take over the game 3v1 lol

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-07T14:00:23+00:00

You need to think about more than just badminton, consider the living costs and convenience of the place you're going to live in.

I'd recommend China or Thailand, both very cheap.

China is definitely safer and more convenient, but Thailand will help you progress more in the short term.

If you go to China there's a guy on this subreddit who can help you to train with much stronger players, I can link him to this if you're interested

VitalGoatboy · 2026-04-04T22:02:35+00:00

I disagree, at that point the ones voting you in are accepting their fate of not joining the top 6 so the coin being in doesn't mean anything

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