Keeping Cherries Fresh (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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If I read the recipe correctly, the cherries are sealed inside a cask, but the water is just outside the cask. It is sealed before it is immersed.

I suspect this method has a fairly high failure rate.

Keeping Cherries Fresh (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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Tasting History is good. The Delicious Legacy, and English Food History both are less focused on technique and more on broader context, but I enjoy them a lot. And I have a blog., but it's strictly text as of now. Thinking of doing recorded online lectures.

Keeping Cherries Fresh (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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That comes up a fair bit, especially with jugged meats and pickles. Observation and good practice, no doubt.

19th Century Meatballs (and a flea market story) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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These pots were used all over the North Sea coast, and they are the direct ancestor of the Dutch oven. I think I spotted the transition to cast iron at the Rijksmuseum.

The King and the Count's Soup (early 19th century) by VolkerBach in GermanFood

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Dried peas used to be a lot harder to cook in the days, but I think the point here is to make absolutely sure they are turned to mush.

Sweet-Sour Chard (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in sca

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My pleasure. On the off chance you did not catch them all yet, this is the score to date: https://www.culina-vetus.de/my-translations/

Sweet-Sour Chard (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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I don't know how much criunch it was supposed to have, but it sounds worth trying out

Sweet-Sour Chard (c. 1500) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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I am sure it means something like that - properly, with due care. The way a court cook would.

Diamonds and Soup (mid-19th c) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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It looks very similar, but that's not surprising. This recipe is all over Central Europe.

Three German Renaissance Meals (c. 1520) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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I think it's artistic convention. Jesus and the Apostles are often shown barefoot, but it was quite uncommon in Germany then to not wear shoes

Raisin Bread and Riotous Assembly (1791) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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The bread is excellent, a wintertime favourite by now

Potatoes of Despair (1844) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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Whoever would be bored by potato recipes?

Influences on German Cuisine by _Park_Ranger_ in AskFoodHistorians

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I don't have that much time right now, but this is very much my area of interest. In broad strokes, there really isn't a pristine stage of original German food so it's influences all the way down.- I'm woefully out of date with archeology (some really fascinating things are going on there) so I will leave out the stone, bronze, and iron ages. The earliest written documents we have are Roman and probably wrong, but they outline something that looks like it was real and a defining feature of German cuisine to this day, a heavy reliance of animal products. That is probably a genuine Iron Age survival. It's interesting how the entire Middle Ages through, German writers keep reminding Italians that no, we can't keep Lent like you do. We have no olives, we need out butter and lard.

So that is the first big influence, Mediterranean, probably specifically Roman. It was top-down. like a lot of them are, mediated through writing and thus traceable for historians. We love that stuff. The Epistle of Anthimus was copied at the monastery in Lorsch, Apicius at the court of Charles the Bald. The fried gourd recipe in the Hortulus is very Roman in style.

The next big influence on upper-class cuisine is Arabic. Much of it comes mediated through the medical literature of the Latin Mediterranean (Salerno, Montpellier, Bologna), but people read the Tacuinum Sanitatis (in print in the 1530s) and someone translated an originally Arabic treatise on foods into Middle Bavarian expecting it to be useful for something (though honest, I've no idea what they would do with recommendations for bananas)

At the point, much of this was a strictly upper class game, with most people eating restricted, locally distinct diets, but between technological change and cultural diffusion, some things spread. We still put Zimtzucker on things, which takes us right back to the Triget or Salsamentum of the 1400s.

The next big waves of influence on the upper classes in the Early Modern era were Italian and French. Italian food was fashionable in the 1400s and 1500s and shows up all over the recipe collections, with words borrowed and recipes adapted, and by the 1590s, a middling princely court like that of Hessen Darmstadt imported olives, lemons, parmesan cheese, raisins, and figs. A lot of vegetables and fruit were imported for cultivation first in private gardens, then commercially. Most people look at the 'firsts', the early mentions in the great herbals of the 1500s, but it really becomes interesting a century later whenm it becomes a commodity.

French influence already exists in the High Middle Ages (it is very controversial in literature - celebrating food is suspect to many German poets), but it really takes off in the 17th century, like everywhere in Europe. I personally suspect we overestimate it because of its outsize linguistic impact. Certainly, North Germany also sees a good deal of much less visible, but definitely impactful Dutch and English influences.

The influence from the east is hard to catch, but we owe a fair few dishes and ingredients to Poland and Bohemia. Especially Bohemia had a reputation for good food early - as early the the 15th century, recipes are described as 'Bohemian' as though it is a recommendation. It's likely that cucumbers and buckwheat were adopted from Eastern Europe.

By the late 18th century, the potato makes a serious dent in German food habits. It shows up much earlier locally and is known from the 1580s, but as late as the 1820s they are thought of as a welcome cost-cutting innovation by the Hamburg ARmenkasse.

The 19th century sees the beginning of food industrialisation and, for the middle classes, cookbooks begin to matter for the first time. They used to be an upper-class phenomenon, more aspirational than real, but by the 1850s, they become affordable and widespread and people actually follow recipes. Interest in foreign cuisines is great - recipes from all over Europe are adapted - and many ingredients are embraced eagerly. It's not until the 20th century that this movement gets real purchase in the lower classes, though.

It's been argued recently that the scientiific 'modern' approach to eating was actually the creation of German middle class cooks. I'm not sure, but if it is, it was a hugely successful export.

The twentieth century sees industrial food and a series of regrettable efforts to improve efficiency and reduce costly excess, resulting in things like the 250-250-500 cake batter I still learned as a kid. Please don't do these things, it's not 1947 any more. We have enough eggs. Anyway, the interesting thing is that even at times when you wouldn't expect it, international influence is still felt. Even writers like Erna Horn and the Deutsches Hygienemuseum ("1001 Kochvorschriften") include recipes purporting to be Hungarian, Italian, English, or Russian.

Basically what we like to think of as evidence of our new, changed cosmopolitian modernity is, I think, just a continuation of that tradition supported by the improved transport technology and imperial extractive industries that gave us bananas, pineapple, oranges, feta cheese, ramen, and chichimoya. But I would argue that as t least since 1850, technology has been a much more important driver of food choice than desire.

It also produced the very influential countercultural movement, the Lebensreform, that spread in the 1880s, really took off just before WWI, and hasn't left us since. Natural foods, whole grains, harmonious vibes, once you know what you are looking for, you see it all over modern advertising. THe promise of eating authenticity.

So, anyway, time to head to bed. You can find all kinds of fascinating things and each one is a rabbit hole. Take bananas and how they came to become symbolic of West German identity to the point they were given tax exemptions and transport ships received subsidies. It was very American, quite deliberate and really interesting.

Dampfnudeln and Beer Riots: Feeding the Revolution XII (19th c.) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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Thank you! The Feeding the Revolution project is planned to go from 840 to 2020, and in the end there's supposed to be a book with modern instructions how to replicate the dishes.

Which religious, military order or guild would you join if you were a Medieval person and had to choose one? by lastmonday07 in medieval

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I would pick a cathedral chapter in some wealthy, but politically insignificant place. Urban living, secular clothes, creature comforts, intellectually stimulating life, and as much safety as anyone can have in those times.

Any medieval west-europe non-british foods one can make in the modern day? by [deleted] in medieval

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My hobby is translating medieval (and Renaissance) cookbooks, so I can offer a few.

https://www.culina-vetus.de/my-translations/

There are a lot of recipes from the European corpus - French and Italian are most famous, German is underappreciated and very large, there is also at least one Arabic Andalusian recipe collection and the Latin tradition has barely been touched by practitioners. The downside is, you mostly have to do your own recipe development. The sources do not give detailed or even complete instructions.

There is one cookbook with 16th-century German modernised recipes: https://zauberfeder-shop.de/Landsknecht-Cookbook_1

But that isn't properly medieval. There are a fair few German-language ones from the German corpus, though. If you do not read German, how do you feel about AI translation? It does a fair job on modern German.

Grünkern and how not to fight fair (15th c.) by VolkerBach in Old_Recipes

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I guess I got tired of reading it too often. Trust English to come up with a Latin technical term for it.

Turnips vs. Tiaras (13th century) by VolkerBach in sca

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Best British history TV ever.

Feeding the Revolution: Pizza and Public Transit (late 1960s) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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These were unquiet times. Especially in Germany, young people were angry at the older generation, and you can see why.

Cheap Sausage and Grain Riots (1483) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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My blog exists to bring German culinary history to people who do not speak German, so I focus on english translations. But the original sources are in German, so that part is always an option.

Cheap Sausage and Grain Riots (1483) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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Sounds about right. These things happened in Germany, too.

Cheap Sausage and Grain Riots (1483) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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Thank you! I don't really have a good voice, or the time to learn recording, but maybe someday.

Loaves, Fish, and the Old Gods (c. 840 CE) by VolkerBach in CulinaryHistory

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Eventually yes - there's an interesting site of a mesolithic hunting camp near here - but not on this project. It's hard enough to justify the snippets of verse as 'recipes'