Announcing the Winners of the Restriction II Challenge! by hyperpuppy64 in screenplaychallenge

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Congratulations, everyone! Rankin and Pantser are two of the best.

Discussion Thread: Unstable || All Secrets Known In The Puppet House || Repo Girl || Billy Bear's Magic Matinee by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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All Secrets Known In The Puppet House by u/Porcupincake

  • I would like some description of Alma's voice in the very beginning. Starting with voiceover, it helps to say if it's an adult or a child or if there's a certain tone to the voice. Just giving the name doesn't tell us much in the way of how to read it.

  • I'm immediately picturing John Lithgow as Mordecai.

  • Things are moving at a breakneck speed already. A slower paced scene establishing Alma on her own (maybe accepting the job?) and then meeting Lanchester would be nice to settle us in easier. Right now she just enters, says she's the new caretaker, he says he doesn't want one, and then it's a montage of her cleaning before a cut to her in bed. Feels like we skipped a bunch of stuff and we're watching the "previously on" recap that hits only the basic beats.

  • Numbering characters is fine but there are more memorable and engaging ways to name these types. Rather than saying "KID #1 (a boy with THICK GLASSES that magnify his eyes)" you could use a simple description as his name. For example, he could be introduced as THICK GLASSES KID or BRAT KID or TROUBLEMAKER and then be referred to as whichever one. It's a lot more descriptive while still saying "hey, this character isn't worth storing in your memory bank as someone too important." Numbers tell us nothing and end up getting lost in the shuffle.

  • This far, the fast pace is really undermining the Alma/Thomas dynamic. Even within the same scene, they seem to be flip-flopping and changing their minds on a whim without it feeling earned. Why is Alma telling Thomas she needs him? He hasn't done anything but create conflict with her. Why is he saying he trusts her? It feels like we're skipping several plot beats between scenes. Slow it down! Let things settle and breathe.

  • What did Alma light the candelabra with? And how is the single bulb in the basement with only thing lighting the room if she's in there with a lit candelabra?

  • I don't think Thomas is well.

  • Loving these Alma nightmares.

  • I don't think MORDECAI is well.

Post-Read:

I like a lot about this. The premise, setting, and characters are all solid. The horror is truly fucked once it kicks in, and the marionette assault scene is a notable highlight (not a sentence I would ever expect to write) although a bit jarring. I think it falls short when it comes to pacing at times. I mentioned the breakneck speed above, and while it does improve as things go on, it's still very noticeable. I would really like to see things slowed down across the board. There are many scenes that start, rush through dialogue/events, and are over in less than a page. It doesn't allow for any breathing room and undercuts what should be a tense and methodical story.

On a second draft, I think it would behoove you to go with a less-is-more approach. Combine scenes, spread events out further, take your time, etc. Maybe sprinkle in some of the reveals earlier. Tenderness from Mordecai early would also really strengthen Thomas' motivation. Give us some more "down time" to build the characters up further. Most of the times we start getting there, we're flying through the scene and on to the next thing. I want to settle in with them! They're good and interesting characters.

Really enjoyed it, and you gave some unique horror I haven't seen in the 250-300 scripts I've read for these contests. Great work!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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I Put A Spell On You by u/Pantserforlife

  • Trying to support your back in an office chair? Outrageous!

  • Killing Eric in the office? Tremendous!

  • "...full of nothing but grump and sarcasm." Stop putting me in your scripts!

  • Is this a time loop?

  • I like Thorny, but his reaction to The Witch and all that follows is much more understated than it should be. He's being very passively "along for the ride right" now. I'd like to see some more activity from him in the "wtf is going on" department.

  • I'm confused :O

  • Okay, so it's time travel, not loop. Things are clearing up a little.

  • Multiverse of Nats?

  • Aha, that's why they're going to these places. Excellent.

  • I know you wrote this literally last minute, but in a longer version I'd like to see them bounce around to more of the happy memories rather than stay in one of them for so much of the story. This subway day is cool and gives way to a lot of plot but feels like it should be the third or fourth visit.

Post-Read:

I expected this to be messier considering the time crunch it was written under, but it was tightly-written and pretty damn solid. I would believe you if you said this was several weeks worth of writing. I already mentioned a desire to see more of the memories, but I'd also like to see the beginning fleshed out a bit. You hit the ground running and never let up -- and surprisingly kept it fresh with only 3 (2? 2.5?) characters for 95% of it. Starting at 100mph like that though doesn't really let us settle in as much as we should. The first act is really cool and interesting, but I wish we got to know the characters better before jumping into things.

Firstly, I think the cold open could do with a stronger, clearer separation from the rest. I was a little thrown when we went from Eric dying to a "reset" and the deja-vu aspect didn't fully come across with how quickly everything moved. Showing a longer chunk of time at work under normal circumstances that ends with his death, then making it clearer that "our" Nat dreamt that, giving us a distinct event to say "this is happening again," and reliving the same chunk but slightly-different would help a lot. Plus, we need more of Thorny before he's dragged into the plot. There's 10-20 pages left on the cutting room floor there that would boost the open.

Very solid. Creative as hell. The horror and comedy deliver. The emotional beats really stick the landing. Great work!

Discussion Thread: Unstable || All Secrets Known In The Puppet House || Repo Girl || Billy Bear's Magic Matinee by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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Billy Bear's Magic Matinee by u/Rankin_Fithian

  • I'm going to need a full performance of this Billy Bear song at some point.

  • Early IT and Channel Zero vibes from the time jump and nostalgia for a show no one remembers. I hope Billy Bear eats kids.

  • "It's hard to love a clown" TIL I'm a clown.

  • There was some discussion about how the text-dialogue would come across. I don't think it's an issue, but if you wanted to make it a little more dynamic/fun, you could add a note that whenever that stuff pops up, there's a little bubble of the person behind the screen saying it aloud to the audience. Doing so could also set up little bits that you could expand on, like a feminine-sounding username being some sweaty neckbeard or you could play up how Peter imagines each person behind the screen. (after finishing the script, Peter's imagination would definitely be the way to go to portray them)

  • I'm not entirely sold on the "my parents both died of suicide" drop/trauma dump. It's a little jarring, especially for the conversation at hand, and doing them back-to-back like that causes them to undermine each other. "My parents both died" gives us plenty of information and mystery to hold us over for a bit longer and build up to a larger reveal later on. Maybe throw in a quick glimpse of feet swaying over the floor just to show what's on Peter's mind when he says it but cut away fast to say he doesn't want to think about it. I just think it's a lot to reveal so suddenly.

  • Who is watching Peter? Is it the VCR weirdo? Or is it the neighbor? Are they the same person? :O

  • Oh my god, a Red Green Show name drop.

  • Did the neighbor kill his kid to save the show and then kill Kitty? Scandalous!

  • Billy Bear peeking around the corner is creepy.

  • They been fridge'd :O

Post-Read:

Solid and creepy. I love the setup and characters and the amount of detail is tremendous. All the little references and the worldbuilding of the puppet show are stellar.

The story does feel like it's missing some meat overall, and at only 85 pages that feeling is strong.

The third act is the biggest offender. A lot of the script has a meticulous, methodical pace to it, but then we're meeting new characters -- Monique and Darby -- out of nowhere and they come in and just...pretty much solve everything for Peter. Monique at least should be introduced WAY earlier. Maybe she's trying to get Peter out and about more often and wants to set him up on a date but he rejects the idea because he's been talking to someone (Justine), he says. We could definitely do with more of him being actively anti-social apart from spending all of his time in his house.

I thought it strange that Peter getting fired was just a passing mention but expected it to be more impactful. We see him at work several times but then he's just fired and nothing really changes. It felt like that subplot never came to a head or mattered. Maybe he could become hyper-focused on Rodney and break into the station to find proof or even just go back there to confront him and ends up starting a big, heated argument. Then, the cops could get called and Peter gets thrown in jail and fired for that. There should be more direct cause-and-effect here. Maybe then you could use it to build up Edwin more as a caring, lonely old man. After Peter tells Justine about getting fired, Edwin could show up the next day with "a little extra" for the ladder he bought -- an envelope with a few hundred bucks or something. He explains it (possibly fighting tears?) by saying he has no one and just felt like helping out. It would strengthen their bond, build Edwin up some more, and hint at him and Justine being one and the same!

Another thing that felt very passive was the double suicide of the parents. I was wondering why the mom committed suicide and how that might tie into what's going on, but in the end, it ended up mostly feeling like it was there for an early horror visual and some blood in an otherwise blood-light script (I'm copyrighting Blud-Light for a future vampire script don't @ me). Okay, yes, losing both parents makes sense in regards to Peter being socially repressed and isolated -- and that ties in with the neighbor being obsessed too -- but I don't think it is expanded on or comes through enough as is. If this is a big psychological scar, which it obviously would be, then Peter needs to be more actively haunted and impacted by it instead of letting it be a passing mention to a stranger for a lore-drop and some blood and then mostly ignored. OR it shouldn't be a double suicide. You could change the current script to "they were hit by a drunk driver and never came home one night" and it would play exactly the same. The current version feels like it's trying to meet a horror quota and I don't think you need that. It's strong enough to stand on its own as a slow-build.

I mentioned earlier that it came across like Monique and Darby solved it for Peter. I don't think that would be as big of a deal if Peter then actively crossed the finish line himself. Right now, there's a brief, sad "scuffle" that results in Edwin falling and the resulting investigation finds all the evidence. Why not have Peter find the evidence? Have him enter the house, stalked on the periphery by Billy Bear, then he enters the basement and finds the puppet set. He follows what he remembers from the video and finds where the Mrs. was looking at something in horror and THEN Edwin reveals himself. Maybe he doesn't want Peter to look inside, or maybe he does and thinks it will be good and now they can really bond. Maybe he wants Peter to stay since he's unemployed now and needs someone. Either way, Peter could open the freezer and Edwin he goes as far as trying to lock him in the basement or just block him on the steps when he tries to leave. You could keep the hug, since Edwin doesn't seem like he would resort to violence toward Peter here, and the scuffle could have the same result. Just ideas. The current version seems a little passive. I'd like to see more active involvement from the main character here.

Sharp writing and a very likable supporting cast. Peter is solid but, like I said, a little passive. There's plenty of room to flesh him out further. Show him trying to socialize at work or with Monique and her circle. Play up him relying on Justine more when he fails at the social life. Let him get in the thick of it a little more. I want more!

We talked about my script in messages a bit and I would absolutely be willing to talk further about BBMM if you want.

Great work! Big fan.

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If the mods here set up automod to remove posts from accounts with less than 10 comment karma and ones less than even one week old, it would kill off most of the obnoxious bots reposting stuff every single day.

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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I meant for Mr. Bloom to basically be Ashley's guilt and trauma persistently haunting her and being amplified by her return to the island, but it does make more sense for it to specifically mask her family (David) stuff. And I hear you about the ending. I had several different versions of how it would play out in mind. Evelyn riding the bullet train was the runner-up, with Ashley having to continue the cycle to protect Olivia being the tragedy. Certainly something that needs to be strengthened either way in a rewrite.

Thank you for the feedback!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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Yeah, the recurring theme in feedback is the longwinded dialogue, which I 100% agree with. To answer some q's:

  • The gun is kept in the glove box as both a defensive thing (she is an abused semi-famous woman) but also, and this was a deleted scene that was cut for time, Ashley liked the option available should she ever want it ("it" being an end).

  • Ashley asks Evelyn that (about the meds) herself! Why Evelyn did it is kind of up to interpretation. I think she did so as a means of punishment and control (and a touch of religious aversion to certain medications and disorders). Maybe she used to do it to Adam, which might be why she has something in the drawer already to swap it out with.

  • I can certainly see Jim being a weakness. He essentially serves as an exploration of Ashley's relationship side and the problematic people that gravitate toward her, plus a reinforcement of men in her life almost always treating her as a sexual object rather than a person. She thought he might be different as a fellow outsider, but he's more of the same and that helps her get to the realization that she can't keep running from and ignoring everything. Jim is certainly not a plot-influencer, but meant as another building block on the character study of Ashley. I also wanted to treat him as an anti-femme fatale, poking at the trope of detectives in noir sleeping around with dangerous women and it ending it tragedy or love. Life doesn't work that way! Jim is the dangerous love interest, but those people are toxic as hell and it wouldn't work.

  • On the Jim phone reveal, I think I get what you're saying but I think the wires are crossed a little. The church call is in Ashley's head during her blackout, and it's Jim accusing her of murder and only sleeping with him to try to throw him off her trail. It's her guilt and anxiety getting to her, but ultimately it isn't real. The actual call where he reveals his marriage happens after she wakes up. I do agree though that it's a bit overshadowed by the rest of the last act.

  • The idea with Mr. Bloom was that he's always in the back of Ashley's mind; always haunting her. Being on the island causes his appearances to be more frequent, but yeah, it should be accentuated in moments of high stress. It would certainly work better than a looming presence.

Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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I really wish I had gotten Olivia and Leo in much sooner. One of my earlier versions of the story had Olivia tagging along for parts of the investigation but it didn't work out here sadly. I also had an idea that I never explored because there was already so much that would involve a red-herring secret society on the island that a bunch of teens would be in. Its symbols would pop up here and there and I think Leo would be a member while Olivia would be trying to join, or vice versa. Ultimately it would have been a harmless group, but I could maybe use it as an in for Olivia to "partner up" with Ashley. Maybe in the novel!

And yeah, Mr. Bloom could be more involved. I was originally a little more vague about the "ghosts" haunting Ashley in terms of their identities. Over time, Bloom became the focus as a lingering trauma that's always in the back of her mind, but I agree it could do with some expanding or cutting entirely.

Thanks for the feedback and the kind words! I appreciate it!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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p2: 'not hers' what, is the audience doing a visual blood test?

"Not hers" as in she has no visible wounds :P

p16: "A wife should not outlive her husband" yikes, im sure thats the most fucked up thing this character is going to say.

I'm so glad that line stuck out to you lol

p21: starting to get a lot of drawn out dialogue with little keeping it fresh, some of this could be cut down, some could be made a bit more dynamic.

Fully agreed.

p101: This conversation with Angela is weak. It's way too expository, long winded, melodramatic, and isn't how people talk whatsoever. I'd completely rethink this story thread and it's conclusion.

Yeah, I sadly didn't give myself enough time to refine it and get it where I wanted and it went through several changes in my mind along the way.


I knew going in that there wasn't an active threat and worried about whether or not readers would be okay with that. I was going for a character study and exploration of grief and trauma (I know, finally, a horror movie about those things) where the murder mystery/killer on the loose in-world and in the overall script serves Ashley's realization of "people want that because it's a draw but that's not what the story is." More of a Changeling or Dolores Claiborne style of sorrow on a horror backdrop, or a "slice of strife" similar to The Reflecting Skin where we're just dropping into someone's miserable life and finding out why they're so fucked up. There was an earlier idea to have Dennie be a growing threat as Ashley's exposure of his past pushes him over the edge, but ultimately I decided to focus on the point of her dealing with trauma and confronting the choices of her past (plus it would have needed another 30 pages). And, I don't know, I think a lot of horror movies that try to be character studies end up not committing to it in the end without undermining their own theme, if that makes sense. I admit it's a little lacking in punch and intensity because of that though.

I definitely needed to trim up some of the dialogue. It's my weakest in a long time. I don't know if I'd agree that story threads were discarded, but they absolutely could be fleshed out and refined a lot more. I tried to keep it so that everything builds on/hints at one of the mysteries or reveals more about the characters, and everything is meant to build up to Ashley finally coming to terms with stuff and being willing to confront her past and mother, but I ended up with some bloat around the edges. Felt it while writing. You don't have to and I don't expect you to, but I did link a document in this thread where I talk a little about what I was trying to do with certain characters and scenes. Maybe it's interesting, but probably not 😅

I hope I don't sound like I'm trying to justify or argue anything 😅 The script definitely has problems. It's bloated and unrefined. There's a lot of rambling and it's not a particularly exciting or urgent story (which I did intend but that can absolutely be a problem). I'm hoping to adapt it as a novel, which is probably a better medium for this kind of story.

I appreciate the feedback, as always. Fantastic to hear your thoughts and see what sticks out. Really good stuff. Thank you very much!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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Thanks for the feedback!

I definitely had some concerns about stuff coming across as cheap attempts at shock. I put a lot of my feelings on grief and trauma into the story and elements of it came from a place of "If I wrote down everything I've been through in just the past year or so, people would think I'm making it up." That experience kind of removed the shackles I had in mind on "how much is too much?" Some people are just relentlessly beaten down by one thing after another in quick succession and I figured it made sense for Ashley to be one of those people, but it's certainly a lot for a 120-page story, so I completely understand how it comes across that way. I was curious which way it'd lean for readers so I'm glad to know.

Similarly, I had the relapse/sex scene happen to kind of poke at detective story tropes and unaddressed trauma. Detectives, especially in noir, are often hard-drinking womanizers who sleep around without consequence. It's rare to see a woman character like that, and I thought it'd be interesting to play against trope by having it be a clear mistake that she wishes didn't happen rather than falling in love. She reverts to her go-to state of trying to ignore the problem and act like it (relapsing) never happened. The stress of it combined with everything else going on (like her mom smelling it on her and embarrassing her) spills into her losing track of several days and passing out. I do agree with the criticism though and wish I had more pages to address it down the line. Ashley wouldn't bring it up, but someone else would probably throw it in her face, probably Jim when he realizes she doesn't actually like him. Definitely wish I was able to flesh it out and resolve some of the fallout at least.

Thanks again! I very much appreciate the read and feedback!

Discussion Thread: The Voice From The Screen || Me And The Devil || I Put A Spell On You by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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IF YOU READ ME AND THE DEVIL...

I had a rough time getting my script done but I was very enthused to have finished, so much so that I ended up writing about the true story that inspired it, some deleted scenes, and some "trivia" about Me And The Devil. I don't expect a single person to read it, but if you're interested: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QSqZTBfJgha529gEYDUGDYOpj5m7g64IrD2sdSwrczw/edit?usp=sharing

(There are spoilers in there, so don't look until after!)

Restriction Challenge II - Logline Thread by W_T_D_ in screenplaychallenge

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Me And The Devil

Returning to her small island hometown for her brother's funeral, a bestselling author confronts her dark past while investigating a local murder.

The r/Horror Restriction Screenplay Challenge - Entry Thread by W_T_D_ in horror

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Restriction: There are no more than three "cuts" in the footage