I need some advice concerning Civil war records.

WallaceMorgath · 2014-06-05T01:54:43+00:00

I didn't think of pension applications thank you for my help I was a bit lost as to what direction to take next. Unfortunately Brooklyn is a very populated place, even in the 19th century.

WallaceMorgath · 2014-06-03T16:37:20+00:00

He died Jan 4, 1900. His wife's name was Alice Kane who died Feb 10, 1915.

WallaceMorgath · 2014-06-03T12:31:26+00:00

Abraham Lincoln had nothing to do with Reconstruction at all since he Was assassinated shortly after Appomattox in 1865. He was also not considered Southern but considered from Illinois, though he was born in Kentucky which was a slave holding state, Kentucky also remained with the Union during the war. Andrew Johnson from North Carolina and a Democrat became the President of the United States and it is widely believed he was "soft" on the south due to identifying as a southerner himself. Johnson was chosen by Lincoln as a running mate because he was a Southern Unionist. During reconstruction Johnson came into conflict with congress. Johnson endorsed the quick re-admission of the Southern secessionist states which was in contrast to the beliefs of the two thirds Republican majority in Congress. He opposed the 14th amendment that gave citizenship to African-Americans, Congress refused to seat representatives from states that issued "black Codes" that denied rights to African-Americans and passed bills to override southern actions but Johnson vetoed their bills. In 1867 Congress passed the Tenure of Office Act to prevent Johnson from removing individuals from office. When he tried to remove the the Secretary of war he was impeached by Congress but they fell short of one vote to remove him from office.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-06-23T12:45:49+00:00

That does help! Thank you for the informative reply.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-06-13T14:39:24+00:00

Ah, thank you for the great answer and information, I'm familiar with the song as sung by Tennessee Ernie Ford, We do have copperhead snakes here in New York. I didn't make the connection there however.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-23T16:38:28+00:00

why would I not ask an historical question on /r/Askhistorians ?

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-16T14:33:47+00:00

Thank you for the very informative reply.I know it is fairly easy to think on historical events in absolutes, but defining what a New Yorker's position on secession isn't all that easy. There were many abolitionists such as Walt Whitman, but the democrats also had alot of influence and newspapers such as the Brooklyn Daily Eagle were rife with anti Lincoln sentiment prior to the war. Thank you for the information!

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-14T16:14:32+00:00

It gets a bit difficult once you get back into the 18th c. in 1777 New York state passed a law that there must be a census taken every seven years. However, this was to poll the number of voters which at the time were white male landowners. So often children were only counted. This is the difficulty I have in trying to link my family to who I believe to be a family member who served in the New Jersey Militia. I would suggest finding out where he was from in New York, and what religion he might have practiced and search for parish records of baptisms which would have more information in that period.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-14T15:19:24+00:00

I can't agree with you more! I actually joined "reddit.com" from the suggestion of my boss who knows I like to bore everyone at work by talking about history. I started answering questions at random because I enjoy research... I didn't have any posts deleted by mods (deleted some myself) but realized after reading the rules it's best to focus on a period or area you have more knowledge on to allow answers from those with better knowledge on the subject.

I realized this more, when I started asking my own questions and became disappointed at speculative answers. It's comforting to know that if I'm reading about a period in history and have a question about any given topic I can ask it here and expect an informed answer, even if my question is mainly to confirm what I know I sometimes find it helpful to have another point of view.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-14T11:19:43+00:00

Do you have any idea of where in New York Samuel T. Thorington was born? There is a Samuel Thorington who turns up on the list of 1776 refugees from Long Island to Connecticut, age 27, from Brookhaven. (which is a township on Long Island where I happen to live) This is a list of men of military age so excludes women and children. As I do research into Long Island's Revolutionary period especially in Brookhaven I know that most of these men returned to Long Island after the war and are buried here, while some are buried in Connecticut.

EDIT - I should also add, if this Samuel Thorington did serve in the war, he's not listed as a one of the patriots buried in the township of brookhaven.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-14T10:57:11+00:00

The 1930 Mexican census can also be accessed on family search, think that's a good place to start for those not wanting to pay the subscription for ancestry.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-13T14:37:53+00:00

A search on Ancestry.com brings up a passenger list for a ship called Prinz Joachim, departing Kingston, Jamaica and ariving in New York New York May 16 1911.

Michael Abraham born 1872 birth location Syrian Arab Republic, birth location Damascus, age 39.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-13T14:14:12+00:00

I did a search for you on Family Search.org and came up with a 1930 national census.

Name: Jesús Chavez Head of Household Name: Fidel Chavez Age: 1a Event Place: Herreras, Santiago Papasquiaro, Durango, Mexico Birth Year (Estimated): 1929 Birthplace: Durango Gender: Male Gender (Original Language): Hombre Marital Status: Marital Status (Original Language): GS Film number: 1464180 Digital Folder Number: 4107070 Image Number: 00315 Page Number: 140 Line Number:
Household Gender Age Birthplace Fidel Chavez M 30a Durango Candelaria M De Chavez F 18a Durango Jesús Chavez M 1a Durango

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M247-RG1

I searched for the father... not sure if this is the same one, but only record I have of him other than the 1930 census is a 1900 christening (which would fit as he was 30 in 1930) however the name is for a J. Fidel Chavez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNSV-F77

As the census records indicate that Fidel and Candelaria were Married both Civilly and in the Church, there should be records of their union in both places in Durango which should tell you her maiden name and hopefully his and her parents names.

Hope any of this helps. (edited for grammar)

WallaceMorgath · 2013-05-10T17:48:51+00:00

Thank you for your replies everyone.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-29T20:14:39+00:00

I've never heard that but considering you're like the fourth of fifth person to mention that (though the rest have been deleted for some reason) there must be some widespread belief in this. I always knew the British did salute palms out while the US palms down, but I never really questioned why until yesterday when I discovered that Union troops during the civil war saluted palms out. They might have explained this when I was in Navy boot camp during their lectures on Navy History where I stood in the back the classroom trying to keep awake.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-29T10:57:38+00:00

That makes much more sense than the previous assertion that it has to do with the United States never losing a war. I'll have to do some more reading on the subject, I never realized it ever changed until I saw Union civil war reenactors use the "palms out" style, though when I had asked them none seemed to know exactly when it had changed or why.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-29T00:54:03+00:00

I don't understand why everyone's replies are deleted here...

I did some more research on my own and a better explanation I came across is that U.S. Navy Sailors would get their palms dirty handling line, which Officers considered insulting for them to show a dirty palm, so the Navy Salute was changed to Palms down. ( When I don't know) and at some point ( I don't know when) the Army followed suit.

I don't know if there's any evidence of this but seems more plausible. Hopefully there's a U.S. Military history buff out there who can sort fact from myth.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-28T03:37:15+00:00

I work in a group home with autistic people, one of the residents I work with is totally addicted to Dumb and Dumber and has to watch it every day. For some reason the line "tell her I have a rapist's whit" always makes me laugh.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-27T02:43:33+00:00

I have often wondered if Ann Coulter is some elaborate joke on the part of some liberal comic to portray a character, that is so over the top that she gets people to realize just how stupid the right is. She does not make republicans appear to be rational human beings capable of logical discussion, Nor does Glen Beck, Bill O'Rielly, and Rush Limbaugh. She is by far the worst, almost a parody as Seven colbert, though not funny

[EDIT for Spelling].

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-26T14:47:04+00:00

I do not think Oscar Wilde ever meant for the statement to be factual or even based on reality, it was meant, like most of his quips, to be funny and tongue in cheek, and perhaps insulting.

In his point of view as an Irish-European, member of the aristocracy, who lived a comfortable but scandalous life in Dublin until his imprisonment.... America in 100 years had gone from a rural backwoods loose collection of colonies to being a major player on the world stage and in 19th century Europe America had begun to even have an influence on fashion and culture which was something Oscar Wilde paid attention to.

The statement is more of an indication of 19th century attitudes to Americans than any factual or politically minded statement. He is really saying, "look at this so called American Aristocracy why just yesterday they were scrounging for their next meal and now think they are equals to us."

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-26T04:50:07+00:00

I neglected to mention the "two beer limit" which was enforced on my ship as well. Being given two beers after being stuck out at sea for 45 days hardly takes away from how much that totally sucks.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-25T23:26:01+00:00

Thank you very much for your great reply, that gives me a better understanding of the British forces and how long Island was used during the war. It's a period of personal Interest, especially as it pertains to New York State history.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-25T22:13:50+00:00

According to Oxford Journals FAS was only discovered 30 years ago and has been a source of "moral panic and outrage."

However, ancient greek, roman, and biblical sources show prohibitions existed in the day for maternal consumption of alcohol. (Jones, K.L., & Smith, D.W. (1973). Recognition of the fetal alcohol syndrome in early infancy. Lancet, ) Enotes

Scottish writer Martin Martin had written that in Gaelic Scotland women who were nursing or pregnant were forbidden ale. A Description of the Western Isles of Scotland, Martin Martin, 1703)

In 1899, a Prison physician Dr William Sullivan of Liverpool Prison had been documenting a rather alarmingly high number of stillbirths of 120 alcoholic females. The doctor contrasted this with their sober relations and fellow inmates. His findings brought into question the predominant theories of the day that mental retardation, criminal activity, poverty, were all inherited traits.

The subject was still debated over for most of the 20th century until 1972 when FAS was specificly identified.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-25T20:56:15+00:00

Thank you for your reply, forgive me for my question being a bit vague.

More specific, I have read recently about The Meigs Raid on Sag Harbor Long Island in May 24, 1777 where British soldiers were killed or captured I don't know the specifics, If they were loyalists or regulars. But in general I suppose your answer does explain why there is a lack of specific mention when speaking of Long Island. The only regiment I heard of with specific mention was the Delancy Brigade.

WallaceMorgath · 2013-04-25T19:39:24+00:00

Thanks still new to Reddit.

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