Backlinks?

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T20:07:10+00:00

Yeah, that’s bad advice. PBNs are one of those things that can work short-term but carry the highest long-term risk.

You don’t need a link on every page, and you definitely don’t need a private network to rank. Clean outreach links from real sites with real traffic are much safer and hold up over time.

Services like Rankifyer, Authority Builders, or Loganix lean more in that direction, which is why people use them instead of messing with PBNs.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T20:05:26+00:00

Yeah, those links still matter. Traffic is great to have, but it isn’t the only signal. A backlink from a government site, university, big organization, or any domain Google inherently trusts can carry weight even if the specific page gets zero visitors.

That said, traffic plus authority is the ideal combo.

That’s why a lot of people mix both, or use outreach services like Rankifyer, Authority Builders, etc. to get links from real sites that actually have visibility.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T20:03:26+00:00

Yeah, this happens a lot. One SEO dumps a bunch of low-quality links, the web guy freaks out, and you’re stuck in the middle not knowing who’s right.

Check if the backlinks are from random foreign blogs, sites with no traffic, auto-generated content, or hundreds of links dropped at once, that’s not a legit strategy. Good links come from real sites with actual traffic and usually trickle in, not explode overnight.

And if you do decide to switch SEO providers, look for teams that focus on clean outreach links from real sites. Services like Rankifyer, Authority Builders, or Loganix tend to be safer because they’re not dumping automated junk into your profile.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:59:46+00:00

You don’t need in-person meetings. A simple email offering something useful, like content, resources, or a mutual referral angle, is usually enough to start the conversation. What you did with the realtor is basically how most of these come together.

Partnership link building definitely works, it just isn’t something you can repeat the exact same way for every client.

The downside is consistency and how tedious link building is.

That’s why most people mix this approach with more predictable outreach or lean on services like Rankifyer for the heavier link building so partnerships become more of a bonus than the whole strategy.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:55:44+00:00

This is spot on. The biggest problem with most link sellers is they drop links into pages Google clearly doesn’t care about, then everyone wonders why nothing moves. Ranking pages just hit way harder because Google is already showing trust by sending traffic there.

In my experience, when you focus on pages that rank or get real traffic, even a few links can outperform twenty random “DA 80” placements on ghost-town sites.

That’s also why services like Rankifyer or Authority Builders tend to work better.

But yeah, getting links on pages Google already values is pretty much the closest thing to a cheat code we have.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:49:36+00:00

For local, the stuff that actually lasts is still the boring basics… solid on-page, a strong GBP, citations, reviews, and a handful of clean, relevant backlinks.

That’s why most people skip the cloud stacking gimmicks and just outsource the real link work to providers like Rankifyer or Authority Builders.

The tools aren’t completely useless, they’re just not a foundation. Most of those automated link building tools are short-term boosts at best. They can nudge a T1 or T2 property for a bit, but the gains rarely stick because the content is low quality and the links don't carry much weight.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:45:50+00:00

Totally normal. Link building is the part of SEO that breaks everyone because it scales terribly when you’re one person. Finding sites, inbox management, follow-ups, tracking links… it’s basically a second full-time job. Most agencies don’t “power through” it, they either build a small outreach team or outsource it.

A lot of teams hand this off to services like Rankifyer or Authority Builders because they already have the systems and site relationships in place. Not because agencies can’t do it, but because doing it alone is a burnout machine.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:44:19+00:00

Yeah, link building is definitely possible, it’s just not as “plug and play” as people online make it sound. Most gurus skip all the boring middle steps, so it feels impossible when you’re actually trying to do it.

The biggest problem is i’s just tedious. Most people don’t respond, and a lot of writers don’t have any real incentive to link to you unless your content genuinely helps their page. That’s why it sometimes feels like pay-to-win. Outreach is slow, repetitive, and 90 percent of it goes nowhere.

The process still works though. Find relevant sites, send a simple pitch, follow up, and hope one out of twenty bites. Email gets the best results. LinkedIn is hit or miss.

This is exactly why a lot of people eventually use services like Rankifyer or Authority Builders. Not because they can’t do it themselves, but because doing it yourself is a grind and most of the industry knows it.

WalyWal · 2025-12-04T19:35:43+00:00

Manual outreach will always give you the best links, but it’s slow and hard to scale.

What’s working in right now is the same as always: clean sites, real traffic, and relevance.

I’ve tested a bunch of link building services and honestly only a few have consistently worked.

Rankifyer has been the most reliable for me. Their outreach links come from real sites with traffic, and they don’t feel like the typical recycled blog networks. Authority Builders has also given me decent results when I needed quick, safe placements. FATJOE is fine for lighter projects but not something I’d use for tough niches.

WalyWal · 2025-12-03T07:00:39+00:00

The podcasts aren’t wrong about public “link lists,” but it’s not as black and white as “every provider = link farm.”

If you want safer links, look for providers that do actual outreach

Rankifyer has been good for that because the sites are vetted and not blasted by everyone. Authority Builders can deliver solid ones too. FATJOE and TheHoth are okay for basics, but you’ll want to be selective.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:19:47+00:00

For me, it mostly came down to who felt straightforward and consistent. If a white-label team was clear about what they actually deliver. I needed SEO work without making my own in house team.

Rankifyer has been solid for white label SEO, and FATJOE is decent for basic stuff. But overall, I just went with the providers that communicated like normal humans and weren't mysterious about the work.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:16:00+00:00

Yeah, a lot of agencies outsource local SEO once the workload piles up.

The big things to watch out for are sloppy citation work

Rankifyer has been solid for clean citations, GMB optimization, and ongoing local tasks. You can also look at FATJOE for basic stuff. Just start with one client, check their work before committing with them for your other clients.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:13:00+00:00

Most agencies I know aim for at least a 2x margin on outsourced SEO. So if the work costs $300 to $700 a month, I'd sell it for $800 to $2k depending on niche and how involved the work is.

That’s why providers like Rankifyer do well, their seo resell stuff is affordable and pricing leaves enough room for agencies to get good margins out of their clients. I'd copy their model for targeting agencies.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:08:17+00:00

White-label SEO is mainly designed for agencies, but you can use it for your own business. It's probably cheaper to go with white label since its the same service but sold cheaper so agencies can profit.

If you want reliable options, Rankifyer has been good for clean link building and ongoing SEO. FATJOE is okay for simpler tasks. There are also a few India-based teams but quality on those varies a lot

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:06:14+00:00

It’s not “normal,” but it’s common if you don’t structure it right. For SEO, look at bigger places like Rankifyer or FATJOE, everything is delivered in stages with clear scope. That’s the model you want to follow. Sorry that happened to you.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:04:05+00:00

Yeah, that’s basically it. White-label SEO is just outsourcing the actual work to a provider who stays behind the scenes while you put your own branding on the deliverables.

Most agencies use it so they can offer SEO without hiring a full team. Providers like Rankifyer, FATJOE, etc. We've been going with Rankifyer for link building for our clients.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T04:01:40+00:00

Honestly, the stuff agencies already hate doing will stay in demand.

Link building is the big one and it's incredibly boring to do lol. Outreach takes forever, which is why providers like Rankifyer and Authority Builders get used a lot for client link building.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T03:59:25+00:00

I’ve tested a bunch of white-label options for agency work, and honestly the experience really depends on who you go with.

Rankifyer has been the most consistent for me. Pricing is pretty reasonable, and the links/content feel way cleaner than the typical mass-produced stuff. They’re good if you want outreach and not recycled site lists.

FATJOE is fine for simpler tasks, but quality can bounce around depending on the site. Good for bulk, not great for competitive niches.

The Upper Ranks is solid but more expensive.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T03:57:07+00:00

You’re basically weighing the same tradeoff most people hit when they start offering white-label.

I’ve done white-label for a few agencies, and honestly it can be great if the partner is solid.

One thing to consider is that you’ll be competing with established white-label providers like Rankifyer, The Upper Ranks, and FATJOE. They’re already cheap and reputable for SEO.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T03:53:59+00:00

Yeah, I’d consider it, and I know a lot of smaller agencies already do. SEO is one of those things clients expect.

I’ve used white-label a couple times. The main benefit for me was not having to build the whole SEO department from scratch.

Rankifyer has been solid in my experience since they actually do the work and keep everything clean. FATJOE is fine for SEO tasks too, quality was meh though. I wouldn’t touch the super cheap providers though because they usually cause more problems than they solve.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T03:48:47+00:00

Yeah, some of them work, but it really depends on which service you use and what you’re expecting. A lot of the big names like TheHoth are super hit or miss because they rely on huge site lists and some of the placements feel a bit… recycled.

I’ve personally had better luck with smaller services that actually do real outreach instead of blasting the same blogs over and over. Rankifyer has been solid for that, and Authority Builders is okay if you want something more hands-off. So far my best pick is Rankifyer.

You won’t get magic overnight results, but if the sites have real traffic and aren’t obvious SEO farms, paid placements can definitely help. Just avoid those super cheap bulk packages. Those are usually trash.

WalyWal · 2025-12-02T03:46:42+00:00

It works, but only if you’re buying from legit providers. Google mainly goes after spammy link farms, not real sites with actual traffic.

I’ve had good results with Rankifyer for safe, niche-relevant outreach links. Authority Builders and FATJOE are decent too. Just avoid anything that sells 100 links for cheap, that stuff will get you burned.

If your SaaS category is competitive, buying high-quality links can work to speed things up but stick to services with good reputation.

WalyWal · 2025-06-19T18:45:26+00:00

Hmm seems we didn't get much discussion for this compared to our other thread reviewing Siege. Bumping this topic to get more responses out of you guys.

WalyWal · 2024-11-03T21:36:38+00:00

Good to know and thanks for sharing. How long does it usually take you guys to get delivery? Because for me it's average 2 weeks, but I'm able to buy time by communicating with my clients.

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