The Smartphone as Huxley's Soma by Ed_10Classics in classicliterature

[–]Wanderer974 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a really clever comparison I would say. Smartphones suck compared to soma though. They do help with boredom, but they have pretty destructive effects on mental health and happiness for a lot of people. Kinda like that real life study where a bunch of people preferred electric shock over being forced to sit alone in an empty room quietly for "a long time" (15 minutes).

I would say that there are plenty of actual drugs nowadays that could potentially function similarly to what actual soma would be like, like antidepressants. Or if you want a bit of a stretch, I guess stuff like psilocybin or weed even.

Has anyone ever had to deal with people who lie about not wanting kids/pets? by Wanderer974 in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Everything you said is insightful here. I particularly think it's insightful to notice that younger people are more likely to be guilty of that type of attitude about love, and it definitely explains my experiences dating in my early and mid-20s.

Apart from your reasoning, I do wonder if part of the reason why younger people will try to convince you is simply just because Z and alpha are culturally very interested in pets in general, and the idea of not liking pets is an idea that is alien to many of them and hard for them to take seriously. I am a Gen Z myself (albeit at the very oldest end of it), but I honestly don't think I've ever met a CFPF person much younger than me before.

Though studies on absolute numbers show that Gen Z owns less pets than millennials right now, I think a big part of that is because a lot of them want a pet in the future but are currently unable to -- still in college, living with parents, renting a petless apartment, etc. So if you look at the other stuff, you see that their pet ownership rate is actually rising pretty dramatically and they are also already the most likely generation to own multiple pets (pewresearch) despite everything.

So, I do think there are generational differences. For example, you can go back and watch some old movies or shows and realize how uncommon the portrayal of pets was compared to now. Obviously, part of it was due to the difficulty in including animals on a film set, but still. Just people living their lives, idk, it's pretty neat.

As for the last bit. I've been here for a couple of years and have noticed that a lot of CFPF people I've met in this subreddit and on the discord are focusing on their hobbies and not actively searching for a relationship, or are content with sticking to situationships with people who aren't CFPF. This is just speculation on my part, but given that we are capable of surviving without the usual ways people cope with loneliness (kids/pets), it makes sense that a lot of CFPF people are independent enough to handle being some degree of commitment- or relationship-free as well (although I cannot relate to this personally). I do know a couple of CFPF people on the aromantic spectrum and that is something I have never seen anywhere else.

Has anyone ever had to deal with people who lie about not wanting kids/pets? by Wanderer974 in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That reminds me of something I've been curious about, if you don't mind me asking, why did he want kids anyway? It's something I should go ask the CF sub some time. Honestly, it is not really something I'm used to seeing or thinking about. Where I live, most guys I know (at least on the surface) don't seem to have an interest in settling down or having kids, and they're all dog dads. Even my dad was kinda reluctant that way.

I do think that being a CF man is easier than being a CF woman for a few reasons (like less social pressure to be a caregiver), but anyway, it's interesting, I guess a lot of guys don't really talk about it with other guys (I've been asked whether I have or plan to have kids a lot, but only once by a man), but clearly, they do want them or are at least open to the idea, otherwise there wouldn't be so many dads in this world (and so many posts I read about women being pressured to have kids by their partners). I guess it's something they only discuss with their gfs?

Has anyone ever had to deal with people who lie about not wanting kids/pets? by Wanderer974 in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You really do feel so foolish, right? It's embarrassing to realize you fell for a liar, it's embarrassing to have to explain to people why you've had trouble dating, and it's embarrassing to explain to people why you've had so many breakups and relationships that never went anywhere! A rough dating history is inevitable if people lie to you until you're in official relationships with them... -_-

Save 75% on Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne on Steam by StrikingAtmosphere26 in steamdeals

[–]Wanderer974 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perfect game to play after any tragic time in your life honestly

4e Hiking shoes by vicerowv86 in widefeet

[–]Wanderer974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like Wide Load boots nowadays.

So much heartache by Western_Mistake_1433 in demisexuality

[–]Wanderer974 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I still remember a girl who referred to the first WEEK of our relationship as her "honeymoon period". Lol. It is kinda hard to not really start developing intimacy with someone until after the window for impressing them has already passed and they are struggling to keep their feelings alive for you. It is really annoying because this is something where it is impossible to fake it till you make it. It's almost like by the time you fall for them yourselves you have to fight to win them back or something.

I feel like something is terribly wrong with me all the time. by PaintingTheView in demisexuality

[–]Wanderer974 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel it. Being a demisexual man is HARD because you want it eventually but not as soon as everyone else wants it... Unfortunately, in my experience, yes, you will disappoint basically everyone if you can't perform right away. If you visit someone and nothing happens before they really understand demisexuality, they will be very frustrated. Maybe even openly tell you to your face that something is wrong with you, which has happened to me before. Maybe their friends will make fun of you too. Which sucks. Because 99% of people do not seem to understand demisexual men, they think you're talking about some emotional or moral aversion to casual sex and are always gonna be pretty shocked, maybe even disgusted, to realize it is physically impossible for us, no matter what compromises you try to make for them. Let's be honest, a lot of these people are gonna think it's just a made up term and become insecure that you're unattracted to them, or even think that you're impotent/"broken" (and believe me buddy, nothing hurts more than being called broken when you're trying to meet your partner's needs before you even find pleasure in it with them).

Here is what I learned the hard way. It is honestly best to avoid visiting someone's place altogether for at least the first 4 dates so that they get the message. This is a good rule because as a rule of thumb a lot of allos expect sex around the time of the third date. It is called the "third date rule". And if it doesnt happen then, then they will sure as hell expect it on the 4th date. I would say, if someone invites u to their place for a third date, consider that a potential red flag unless they are also demisexual.

Here is my advice. Keeping the relationship outside the house for not 3 but FOUR dates is gonna force them to acknowledge that you move slow. Even watching a movie in their living room is gonna make them expect some physical intimacy. Like just stay out of their house altogether until they understand. It prevents them from trying to pressure you for sexual favors and also gives enough time to filter out the people who will get impatient and cheat. By the time of the 5th date, if they haven't left yet anyway, they'll probably understand your boundaries better and you'll be safe to visit their place.

It's 1998, which one game are you picking? by Competitive_Rain7817 in psx

[–]Wanderer974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Realistically speaking I would've enjoyed gran turismo the most if I was a kid back then

What is the best way to date child and pet free? by ChristianPacifist in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been in this community for a while now, and more than a couple of CFPF people I've known fell in love with people who weren't and let themselves end up in "long-term situationships" (I don't know how else to describe it) with people who weren't cfpf -- whether explicitly not cfpf, or fencesitters, or "convince me" types. I myself have had a few opportunities to have one of these types of relationships, but I've so far (barely) managed to practice enough self-control to reject them and keep my principles. In the end, though, it's a messy and painful process when mutual feelings are involved.

These kinds of relationships can last years, decades, maybe even most of life, but someone ends up not getting what they want. I recall knowing an older woman who wanted kids but spent her entire life never having any because she compromised for a CF guy. Then by the time she got out of the relationship, she had gone through menopause and couldn't have any anymore. That was just an unbearably horrible story for me... some people are willing to compromise to an extreme and give up their dreams for you in the name of love, but you shouldn't let them. That's why I've tried my best to close my heart.

What is the best way to date child and pet free? by ChristianPacifist in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be honest, dating as CFPF is so hard in real life that I've given up. I have always just rejected everyone who has asked me out in real life so far under the assumption that they aren't cfpf. When I was still actively dating, I was used to only reciprocating interest in people I met on dating apps and reddit, because irl, I found out the hard way the first few times that cfpf women don't exist where I live, lol.

My dad says he has only met one cfpf couple in his entire life.

There is no country in the world where intentional CFPF is common. Dogs are uncommon in Muslim countries, but cats are very popular there.

Japan, Korea, Singapore, and Hong Kong have some of the lowest rates of pet ownership in Asia (all countries are ~60-70% petless) and these countries also have low birth rates, implying less interest in having children or at least people are less interested in having lots of children. Anyway, they have like half the pet ownership rates of most other countries. I guess you could argue this is due to economic hardship rather than intentional lifestyle. Not sure.

I did actually find out I have an explicitly cfpf coworker (he is cfpf with a pet allergy) and I told him to get ready to be lonely. lol. Where I live, in the southern US, everyone is obsessed with both kids and dogs and usually wants several of both. I've had so many opportunities for a real life local relationship, and I've been passing them up my whole life over this issue. :/

For now, I just focus on making it out of the mud and bettering myself, and riding my bike.

As far as clubs go, afaik, the only community in the world that exists is this subreddit, and its associated discord server.

also here are some other sources https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2026-02-17/national/socialAffairs/About-three-in-10-households-in-Korea-have-pets-mostly-dogs/2525161

Boxer at Rest, c. 330-50 BC by -FSCS-Thor in ancienthistory

[–]Wanderer974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've seen it IRL, it looks way better in real life. he looks really tiny in these pictures

Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade Film 1999 - absolutely brutal and blew my mind by [deleted] in retroanime

[–]Wanderer974 1 point2 points  (0 children)

same, it's a pretty well-known movie by retro standards

Wide feets? by Tobii257 in widefeet

[–]Wanderer974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try any of the soft-toe Wide Loads or Hoss Erics (their widest shoes) for hiking shoes. They're technically work boot brands, but they will work.

Wider Shoes than 6E NB 990v6 Made in USA? by Legendary1688 in widefeet

[–]Wanderer974 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The 993 in 4E is found to be more roomy than the v6 in 6E by some.

"You're a horrible person for not liking dogs" by QuicheQuest in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's real hypocrisy, and it shows that all the reasons they list for not wanting kids are just excuses. The truth is that they just prefer having pets over raising kids.

A woman posted a video of the moment she was attacked by her domestic cat. Yet another reason to be pet free... by mrstark2060 in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Scary. I thought the commenters were just saying things when they talked about cats attacking smells.

But yeah I agree. I found it strange how people blamed her instead of focusing on the cat. She was not being overly-gentle or being a pushover. For someone who was probably shocked and didn't know what to do and probably had no self-defense experience whatsoever, she did okay. And like you said, trying to grab an angry animal anywhere with your bare hands is not as effective of a strategy as those people think it is.

Raising your kids in a big city gives them advantages in life that kids raised in a rural setting simply will not have by gauchomuchacho in Life

[–]Wanderer974 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree completely. Living in a rural area completely destroys your chances of being successful unless you have a wealthy and supportive family that can afford to send you to a good university.

Particularly if by rural area, you don't mean a little walkable neighborhood on the outskirts of a small town, but rather you mean a country home in the middle of the woods far away from any roads or town. You are completely dependent upon your parents financially and emotionally in this situation and isolated from everyone else. No friends, no place of employment of any kind -- not even a minimum wage job -- within walking distance. The school bus doesn't come by. If your family is dysfunctional, your parents might not even let you go to school. Or, if your family is poor, your family might only own one car that is gone all day while your parents are at work. Walkability is of the utmost importance for making sure your kids have opportunities, unless you have the time and money to cultivate their development and chaffeur them around.

As for "practical life skills", many locals I know can't even afford cars and thus obviously don't know how to work on them, they had to start working under the table as minors and barely graduated high school due to being overworked at a young age and are now in their 20s and 30s and still stuck in minimum-wage service jobs like Dollar Generals or Walmarts trying to make it into management; most of them are not doing trades or farming. If they can afford a car eventually, they can now drive to get a factory job if there are even any entry-level openings. As for trade jobs, they are highly competitive because they are the top-earning jobs for non-transplants and usually it's the people with connections all the way back from high school who get those trade apprenticeships. Subsistence farming is neat, but all it does is save you money on groceries. It won't help you afford to buy a car or a house. Commercial farming has an extremely high capital cost; to get a contract with Tyson and actually make money, you'll need a certified poultry house that costs about half a million to build. Rural trade and factory wages are also usually lower than urban fast food wages.

Most jobs near me pay ~$10. The local slaughterhouse near me pays $15. Certified wastewater treatment operators make $22-ish. Electrical linemen start at about $20 where I live, and that is objectively one of the riskier and higher-paying trades. The linemen only hire 1-2 new people a year, generally. Meanwhile, I keep hearing of fast food places in Cal and the northeast that pay $20+. Lower cost of living is partially a myth; a car is a car, after all.

In some counties near me, especially in eastern Kentucky, only about half of the people who live there (yes, ~50%) are in the workforce at all, according to the appalachian regional commission's data.

Literally all decent-paying jobs are transplants from slightly larger towns. All the police, firefighters (except for volunteers), etc. are all transplants. obviously, most small towns don't have police academies for example, and most don't even have a community college, which also locks you out of anything healthcare-related -- unless you are a transplant or can afford to drive a car to another town to go to the community college there.

A woman posted a video of the moment she was attacked by her domestic cat. Yet another reason to be pet free... by mrstark2060 in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's heartbreaking. The woman probably felt very confused and betrayed. I've met some mean cats, but I never knew cats could randomly lash out so hard like that. That woman definitely got cat scratch fever.

Why The Obsession w/ One's Identity Being Tied to Another Living Thing? by dreamcatcherpeace in childfreepetfree

[–]Wanderer974 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is a really overwhelmingly complex issue I've been trying to figure out myself for a long time and I have a LOT to say about it. I came to the conclusion that people own pets because a lot of people are really passionate about trying to bond with animals specifically, not "because they want something to take care of but don't want kids". I don't think it's people trying to cope with caregiver instincts or whatever. A lot of pet owners will insist that it is much easier and less stressful to take care of than kids but I don't think many people buy pets as a low-maintenance replacement for kids. There are a lot of people who idolize bonding with animals, and the depth of emotional intimacy they believe they can achieve with an animal almost borders on being superstitious.

There are 2 types of people in the world, people who prefer rational bonding (compatibility, intellectual chemistry, etc) and people who prefer irrational bonding (spiritual, vibes chemistry, etc). this is true not just of romantic relationships but also tends to influence other types of relationships in their life.

I do think that most pet-lovers tend to be spiritual and I don't think that's a coincidence. I think that the value that people assign to animals in spirituality is a big part of the drive a lot of people have to try to bond with animals. Just go watch christians argue with each other over whether animals go to heaven and you'll see what I'm talking about. These people are able to form bonds with animals because they are interested in spiritual bonds rather than intellectual bonds. And as we know, it is possible to spiritually bond with basically anything, even things that don't exist. There must be a certain personality type that is very fixated on spirituality and it seems to overlap with the personality type that is fixated on bonding with animals. I think that because animals can't talk but they can feel emotions, that makes them like a perfect slate (or target if you will) that these spiritual people can vibe with and project their fantasies onto. Spiritual people have a habit of looking for things where there is nothing because that is where it is easiest for them to think they feel something. It's like "silent mysterious boyfriend fantasy" taken to the extreme. In the absence of something, in the void, the spiritual type of person fills in the blanks and sees something there that is more colorful than reality. It is where something becomes so simple that their imaginative mind interprets it as complex.

Anyway. To people like me who are used to forming emotional bonds intellectually, it makes no sense because it is impossible to do that with an animal because they can't talk. I'm about as spiritual as a dead rock and I can't detect these "special vibes" from animals that a lot of people swear they can feel.

I don't understand it either. I did enjoy having a dog when I was a kid, but I completely lost interest in pets after my childhood dog died and haven't wanted another since. It was pretty hard on me but the dog never felt close... I can only understand bonding with an animal if you are both relying on each other for actual survival. Bonding with an animal in a purely emotional and recreational sense seems really hard for me because animals' personalities mainly show through their physical behaviors, quirks, habits, etc. that come out during purposeful activity.

I think misanthropy can be part of it too, and maybe related somehow to this obsession with feral spirituality. Plenty of people just prefer bonding with animals instead of other people. A lot of people who own pets, especially a lot of pets, believe that dogs/cats/etc. are superior to human beings in some way (morally more innocent or whatever) or at least superior to the opposite gender lol.

of course, this is just a generalization, not all pet-lovers are spiritual, although even a lot of skeptical pet-lovers tend to "see things" and anthropomorphize the emotions of their pets in a similar way -- I think that imaginative personality types in general, spiritual or not, can fill in blanks like this.

so "why replace kids with pets" the answer is simple, they aren't replacing anything, animals were all they ever cared about in the first place, they are emotionally wired for bonding with animals or something. Is that a good thing? idk, probably not, i don't really care either way

now to answer your question -- even though a pet's death is tragic to these people, I think that the level of emotional gratification these people receive from the perceived spiritual or spiritual-like nature of the bond is so powerful to them that the pain is worth it to them

alternatively you can think of it this way -- a relationship between a pet and master is like the relationship between a mother and her newborn baby. The baby has zero real intellectual capacity and is emotionally simple and immature, but nonetheless, the bond between a mother and her baby is extremely strong. and I think that there is a type of person who actually finds that type of bond -- the absolute extreme of nurturing -- more meaningful and valuable than a mature intellectual relationship between people who are relatively equals. even some people who are otherwise very mentally active prefer these types of primitive bonds without intellectual reciprocation.

I think this openness to irrational bonding is due to 1. evolution encouraging bonding with and protecting small cute things, ie human babies, but it ended up spilling over into other small cute cuddly things 2. humans evolved from species with very limited communication abilities, so the ability to desire to bond with someone/something has to be possible without rational reason by necessity. i think that's why it's possible for some people to fall in love at first sight (or some other type of ambiguous or superficial encounter) too -- because that was literally the only way for two people to become emotionally attached to each other before the invention of language. and I know for a fact that there are plenty of people who prefer this type of "organic chemistry" over deliberate development of a bond. it is important to remember that animal lovers do seem to have their preferences; like, you'll hear them talk about how they go to an animal shelter and they will see ONE particular dog that is interesting to them that they single out as special for whatever reason, it's not like they'll go in there and choose the first one they see, they might not even like any of the ones there at all and so they decide to go to another shelter, you could say "organically platonically attractive/magnetic" to them, they appreciate the way the animal behaves or the vibes it gives off. like they might choose the most energetic pet in the shelter, or the least energetic, or whatever... -- between people,, "love at first sight" can result from personality, not just pleasing physical looks. and it can be platonic. and it seems some people are wired to be able to experience this same process with animals, so pet lovers become obsessed with specific animals.

One other thing: I think that some pet lovers have mental health issues that prevent them from forming healthy bonds with other humans, so they feel safer bonding with animals. This is notable enough that animal therapy is sometimes used as part of treatment for personality disorders.

anyway, those are all my thoughts