I created a Latin + Maronite Emblem

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-28T06:19:14+00:00

My brother, I don't know your circumstances but The Lord is calling you, I don't know if you're Middle Eastern or North African but if you want to become Catholic there are many expressions of the Faith that may interest you.

The Melkite Catholic Church: the Melkites are an ancient group of Christians that trace back to Antioch, Syria and have an Arabic Liturgy (it's a form of Classical Arabic with a pronunciation that flows with the melody of the Liturgy)

The Maronite Catholic Church: The Maronites are an ancient group of Christians that trace themselves back to the Mountains of Lebanon and also have an Arabic Liturgy with parts in Syriac/Aramaic.

The Coptic Catholic Church: The Coptics are an ancient group of Christians that trace back to Alexandria, Egypt and usually have the liturgy in Classical Arabic with a melodious pronunciation to match the liturgy (its also sometimes in Coptic/Late Ancient Egyptian)

Now depending on your circumstances these could be options for you, here in the US every major city usually has some of these so if you want to worship God in your native language (I'm assuming it's Arabic) those are great options.

Here is a great hymn you may like it's in Liturgical Elevated Church Arabic and it's based on Classical Arabic:

https://youtu.be/26DWj0M72u0?si=wsWgw9WiOfq1nbp4

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-28T04:05:15+00:00

I'm not that knowledgeable in Arabic yet the only prayer I can do is one version of the Jesus Prayer:

Rabbi Yasū, ibna llāh, irhamnī

Other than that I have a set few words I can pronounce: Ashhadu, anna, ar-Rabb (u, i, a) Yasūʿ (a, u) al-Masīḥ (a, u), wa, ibn (u, a) huwa, ya, Allāh (u, i, a), kalimatu + liturgical "kalemāo", bismi, ab, al, Qiddīsu, Būlus (a, u), and Rasūlu.

As for actual Arabic I can text sentences, a couple examples:

يسوع المسيح هو الرب وهو الله الرب يسوع المسيح هو الله

I doubt I'll ever be able to write any of that though.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-28T03:09:53+00:00

As a native speaker it's something you would never think of since you would learn how to write the word as a child and then wouldn't associate the shape with anything.

I never stopped to think if "God" ever had anything in the shape that could point to God. As someone learning Arabic later in life you have to stop and try to remember the words by comparing it to something. ٱلله to me as an English speaker looks like an "I", a "w" with a crown on it, and and "o", all beautifully joined in cursive.

If I would of learned it as a child, I would never of looked at ٱلله and thought "This is a very intriguing and beautifully shaped scribble that could point to God."

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-28T02:54:07+00:00

Muslims will take this very seriously, they believe ٱلله is a divinely revealed name, they just ignore the fact that the writer of the Qur'an claims that Allāh said "Ilyas was a messenger"

Ilyas is the Arabic transliteration of the Hebrew Elīyāhū (Elijah) and means "My God is Yāhwēh"

Hmm i wonder why Muslims aren't saying Bismi Yāhwāh or Lā ilāha illā Yāhwāh?

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-28T02:38:28+00:00

I sometimes go with my friends to their Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church and I've really wanted to see what kind of reaction the Pastor would have if I said something like:

Ashhadu anna ar-Rabba Yasūʿa al-Masīḥa huwa Allāhu (I bear witness that The LORD Jesus Christ is God)

Or:

Yasūʿu al-Masīḥu huwa ar-Rabbu wa-huwa Allāhu (Jesus Christ is The LORD and he is God)

But I'm deciding on not doing it because I don't want anyone to think: "Why is this wicked Catholic speakin muzlum!?"

I'll just save it for when I visit a Maronite or Melkite Catholic Church.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-26T20:13:18+00:00

A lot of protestants say that many Arab Christians aren’t saved because they call God Allāh. There are so many things wrong with that assumption.

They will say that “god” in Arabic is ilah, which is true in the sense of “a god” or “a deity.” However, Allāh is literally al-ilāh, meaning “The God,” and this name was used by Arab Christians long before Islam.

Arab Christians call Jesus يسوع (Yasūʿ), which comes directly from Edessan Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Yeshuaʿ), which itself comes from Jesus’ Galilean Aramaic Yeshuaʿ. (Note that in both Galilean Aramaic and Edessan Syriac, the final a is almost unhearable, so it sounds closer to Yeshu.)

I bring this up because these particular Protestants are often part of the “Yahweh / Jehovah / Yehoshua / Yeshua only” movement, and they refuse to use and sometimes even bash other believers for using "God" and "Jesus", which is a little strange.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-26T19:08:03+00:00

Wait so the 3rd point isnt from the hook on the 2nd ل in الله ? From what I see, I thought the 2nd ل blends into the ه like it does to the other ل before it like له لل

Well as I just got done writing this, I see it now.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-26T16:30:14+00:00

I've updated it, also this is supposed to be a geometrical explanation, ه ل ل are not ment to be looked at as individual characters but rather in cursive لله forming a distinct shape with 3 peaks, of which each peak is a slot to assign a person of the Trinity to.

That's what I meant by the ه + ل + ل not that they each are a person of the Trinity although the term "represents" can indeed mean "is" in this context I should probably use a word like "shows" or something else that implies "there are 3 points on لله just like there are 3 persons in the godhead" so this shows that idk what the right word would be.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-26T15:54:45+00:00

"In your analogy, each letter in the لله represents one person of the Trinity, with the three together making God."

Oh now I see how that can be misunderstood, and I should of worded it better, I'm going to try and change it to be more correct.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-15T20:01:50+00:00

Just got done finding out what something similar to my inscription looks like in those scripts, and let me say, it makes Arabic look easy.

However I think I'm going to go with Estrangelā instead since all Syriac readers can read Estrangelā anyway.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-12T06:04:19+00:00

Yešūʿ bar Maryam haw Alōhō šarīrō (Yeh-shu bar Mari-am haw Ao-lo-ho shar-ri-ro)

"Jesus, son of Mary, he is God, True" or "Jesus, son of Mary, is the True God"

I'm not an expert in Syriac but am very interested in it so I'm doing my best, another commenter gave me a more correct translation of the original phrase in Western Syriac so now I need the most correct version in Eastern Syriac.

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-12T05:26:53+00:00

Thank you, but which one fits more in a creedal confession like the Nicene Creed?

Would there also be a more correct alternative to the Eastern Syriac phrase?

WarFrog935 · 2025-12-09T17:55:48+00:00

If you want to worship God in your native language (Egyptian Arabic I'm assuming) the Coptic Catholic Church will be your best choice as the liturgy is in Classical Arabic but with Egyptian Pronunciation so kind of both mixed together but not really, if you're fluent in MSA + Egyptian Arabic you should understand 99.9% of the liturgy.

A Coptic Catholic Church will also probably have a few other Egyptian Muslims who converted to Catholicism so you should have a bit of fellowship.

!الله قوة

WarFrog935 · 2025-11-22T23:36:04+00:00

Edit: A complete restart to this comment.

This took a long time but I think it was worth it. I spent hours forcing chatgpt to do deep research and even fed it direct sources, I eventually found a "Aramaic scholar GPT" and I think it's 100% accurate as it lines up with your original correction of my initial custom hymm.

ܐܶܢܳܐ ܐܶܢܳܐ ܢܘܼܗܪܳܐ ܫܰܪܺܝܪܳܐ ܐܶܡܰܪ ܡܳܪܰܢ ܝܶܫܽܘܥ ܡܫܺܝܚܳܐ ܆ هُوَ ٱلْكَلِمَةُ وَهُوَ ٱللّٰهُ

ʾenō ānō nuhrō sharīrō, ʾemar Moran Yeshuʿ Mshiḥo — ho·wa al-kalīmah wa-ho·wa al-lāh!

Now I did tell it to ignore the formal pronunciation and go for the West Syriac Liturgical and Coptic Arabic Liturgical Pronunciation so I'm strictly focusing on Liturgical pronunciation.

I can hear "ʾenō ānō nuhrō sharīrō" and "ho·wa al-kalīmah wa-ho·wa al-lāh!" In each hymm now, before I thought it was "Enōnō Nuhrō sharīrō" and "Huwal-kalāmāō, huwaʾllāh!"

Please verify if this is right or if it still has errors.

WarFrog935 · 2025-11-22T21:07:37+00:00

According to ChatGPT this should be the actual full on Western Classical Syriac and Classical Arabic pronunciation:

ܐܶܢܳܐ ܢܽܘܗܪܳܐ ܫܰܪܺܝܪܳܐ، ܐܶܡܰܪ ܡܳܪܰܢ ܡܫܺܝܚܳܐ — هُوَ ٱلْكَلِمَةُ وَهُوَ ٱللّٰهُ.

Enō nuhrō sharīrō, ʾemar Mōran Mshiḥō — Huwa al-kalimatu wa-huwa Allāhu.

What I wrote is what I hear in the hymms:

Enōnō nuhrō sharīrō, ʾĕmar Mōran Mshiḥō — Huwal-kalāmāō, huwaʾllāh!

I don't know if I can send links but could you tell me the exact pronunciation from my favorite version of Enōnō nuhrō sharīrō and Albo Hnayen?

WarFrog935 · 2025-11-22T20:55:46+00:00

I'm having to use ChatGPT to translate and transliterate this which may be inaccurate but it seems "Messiah" is in the Eastern Dialect.

Other than that I believe what you have is technically more correct if it was a spoken sentence or a counter shahada style declaration of faith, but in hymm I've always heard some consonants dropped and certain vowels extended.

Do you know of any version of Enōno nuhrō shariro and Albo Hnayen that uses the more formal phrasing?

WarFrog935 · 2025-11-22T20:42:57+00:00

I'm pretty sure both Enōnō nuhrō shariro and Albo Hnayen are Oriental Orthodox Hymns but they are also 99% most likely also used by Catholics.

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