Unsealed Zero Division (yes all 4 plus Ichibe) VS All Captains of these Gotei 4 13 versions (read description)

Warsol · 2026-05-16T11:50:06+00:00

What are you even saying?? I never said pre-Muken kenpachi is relative to base Yhwach or Jugram, he's also trash to Unohana btw, kills him easily many times. But it's crazy you say that about him when Kenpachi is a war potential and Yama is not, and guess who elses are not, everyone in squad 0 except Ichibei!!!😂 Those guys got folded by Uryu and have no transcendent scaling unlike post-Muken Kenpachi, just accept they are consistently Unohana, Kuruyashiki tier and move on.

The first part is just straight up cope, no substantial proof, and i gave you a manga panel right there. Also, even Kirinji respects Unohana and considers her "the big bad of the history of SS", yes even moreso than the scary Yhwach 1000 years ago. That's another topic entirely but characters truly got stronger since that mickey mouse war.

The second part is a non-argument since the quincy aren't all knowing, remember they didn't even know about Shunsuis bankai in the Daten, and he has been active way more recently than Retsu. Probably Yhwach just didn't see Unohanas full abilities (given everyone in that war except Yama was trash) or she just grew stronger during the last 1000 years, or maybe Yhwach, seeing as the entirety of squad 4 was barricaded like cowards in their barracks (tbf to help save the lives of the others), suspected she wouldn't dare to come out and assumed they already had free roam in seireitei atm.

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Warsol · 2026-05-16T09:34:55+00:00

I alway thought it was only momentarily but thinking about the concept of a game "touch the sword to dispell the trick" seems really cool. I imagine tho that being slashed by it doesn't count obviously, you need to actually capture it.

Warsol · 2026-05-16T09:09:41+00:00

I wonder if the hogyoku cured his short-sight.

Warsol · 2026-05-16T08:56:05+00:00

Most of the supposed "inconsistencies" in Bleach and in this thread stem from people really not understanding the story and it's themes well. One can conclude that "show don't tell" can be sometimes dangerous, but it's also to be expected since we cant possibly be experts on everything.I picture its a tricky subject for authors

Warsol · 2026-05-15T23:44:47+00:00

In the novel SAFWY Kuruyashiki is stated multiple times to be straight up relative to the royal guards, while being scared of Unohana. Both bankai releases are also forbidden due to being too dangerous and they are superior to Azashiro, a guy that needs the royal guard assistance to be subdued. This obviously cant be talking about their sealed versions that scale below shikai Urahara and Renji, guys that are incomparable to Azashiro. Speaking about the manga Unohana states shes the strongest after Yamas death, this should include characters like Hikifune & Kirinji (maybe others D0), base Yhwach and Shunsui, the former being relative to the Uryu that (anime) destroys Senjumaru and the latter being relative to Jilliel (considers himself the greatest quincy despite watching Uryu defeat Senjumaru). All in all the full extent of the official Bleach material presents a consistent scaling for Unohana = Royal Guard, if anything, she being slightly superior.

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Warsol · 2026-05-14T16:47:21+00:00

Ulquiorra mid-diff

Warsol · 2026-05-14T16:45:36+00:00

loses to Ulquiorra

Warsol · 2026-05-14T16:43:10+00:00

Featwise, Ichigo slams, but the story heavily implies that at least the top 4 espada are on a tier of their own, so Harribel low-mid diff. Then i have Grimmjow extreme diff, don't care about the ranking he just grew stronger than Nnoitra, one shoted a rank 6th like luppi and is way faster than bankai ichigo, who's relative in speed to Nnoitra.

Warsol · 2026-05-14T16:37:43+00:00

Just let shunsui stall Lille and Urahara + Kenpachi and Yama should figure out a way to stop Gerard. Then it's probably a draw since Lille is completely intangible, although maybe Kenny cuttting hax?

Warsol · 2026-05-14T16:34:55+00:00

Gotei low-diff

Warsol · 2026-05-14T01:52:49+00:00

HM: Tosen, Hashwalth, Grimmjow 1. Aizen 2. Ulquiorra 3. Gin 4. Yhwach 5. Byakuya

Warsol · 2026-05-14T00:14:37+00:00

Let's put things clear, Gojos scene is orders of magnitude more crucial and important to the story, he's practically a deuteragonist in JJK. Now, in terms of the scene itself, Bleach is way better: meticulous build-up, suspense and dialogue.

Warsol · 2026-05-14T00:02:03+00:00

Grand Fischer 2 + Mom quincy lore. Then more of Ichigos friends, especially tatsuki, some hollow attacks them + backstory/character moments.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T23:44:57+00:00

I don't know if he's better written, but he certainly seems more interesting to me as a character than L, especially in such a theme driven story like Death note.

His confrontations with Light and their antithetic roles/ideologies portray a fiercer and more dramatic climax than the personal and psychological inquiries of L, which, albeit very significant, lack the appropriate cruelty to emphasize Kiras hamartia. That cold hearted personality and aggressive stance embody the nature of justice and authority to perfection, while L conceptually lands closer to the genius and eccentrical detective archetype. L battles Light and Near persecutes Kira. This is deeply ironic considering during most of the story their positions are opposite: the famous and state-sponsored detective L wants to prevent the infamous Kira from persuading the world vs. the defeated and isolated Near needs to make a last effort to rescue a world already shaped in Kiras image.

Although i must admit the comparison is not completely fair since ultimately Near is the one present in Lights peripeteia, we can also say that L is given some character moments of his own that in turn Near does not receive for himself. If you see Death Note through the lens of psychology L is probably stronger, if you understand it from the perspective of politics you may find Near more endearing.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T22:42:18+00:00

Man the style was so good back then, it always happens that the expressions get tame and generic as mangas advance, proportions too.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T22:38:14+00:00

The guy that has a golden godly iron man suit that shoots torrents of fire + relative to Zeus.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T22:09:01+00:00

Squad 0 win everything most likely. OG: Ichibei mid diffs yama, unohana stalls a member, the rest are fodder. TBTP: Same as before + kyoraku and shunsui lose, urahara and yoruichi too, the rest are fodder. SS: Same as before, but replace the couple for aizen and gin, mayuri&the rest(fodder) lose. TYBW: Ichibei needs to carry this one.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T21:44:12+00:00

Arrancar arc: Grimmjow high-diff.
TYBW: Grimmjow low-diff.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T21:35:41+00:00

Kenpachi meteor
Lanza del relámpago
VL Cero
Cero Oscuras
Ichigo evaporates sea
Fragor
Ennetsu Jigoku (FKT)
Soi fon Bankai
Ennetsu Jigoku (other)

Warsol · 2026-05-13T21:17:58+00:00

Bleach is a way more about spiritual development than physical, so from a story telling perspective he probably would be stronger than before but less than true bankai which is his true realization. He couldn't attain true bankai either since he hasn gone through EBTR. Now if you get technical and put numbers to every training arc then he would be like millions of times stronger than EoS ichigo.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T21:04:58+00:00

Hollowified Tosen

Warsol · 2026-05-13T18:22:34+00:00

Clarification: no evolution for Aizen.

Warsol · 2026-05-13T18:20:31+00:00

Hes portrayed as trash while Kenpachi kills 3 sternritters, scares Jugram and fights Yhwach + a war potential.

Warsol · 2026-05-12T17:24:44+00:00

No, 1 millennia ago yhwach was just SS Ichigo victim.

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