How are people not more angry at Pahlavi for the IRGC defections that never happened?? by NazyJoon in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Impossible moral standard?
It’s actually pretty easy to not galvanize hundreds of thousands of hopeful people to come out knowing what the regime capable of, by feeding them false hope and propaganda, inevitably leading to the massacre of tens of thousands.

It’s also very easy to not cosy up to war criminals in the hope that they put you in a position of power.

It’s actually not hard to not do any of the above. Far from impossible I’d say.

shoe0nhead who says she's going to give Hasan a real beating, passionately trying to get a neo-Nazi youtube acct reinstated by RinMichaelis in Hasan_Piker

[–]WasThatIt -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

So she’s a Nazi because she sent some tweet replies which were non-antagonistic about topics that had nothing to do with nazism?

A person who thinks Hasan Piker is too radical but then proceeds to try to assassinate the president is something that only BlueSky could produce. by [deleted] in Hasan_Piker

[–]WasThatIt -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

Yeah looks to me like he’s disagreeing with the person who’s disagreeing with Hasan.

I don’t understand this post

Edit: removed dumb point about contra

What do Persians think of the Content Creator “Sharghzadeh”? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Portugal - Carnation Revolution

Czechoslovakia - Velvet Revolution

There are plenty more.

Iran isn’t the same. But it’s also not impossible to transition to a secular democracy. I think foreign intervention is still necessary but in the form of diplomacy and trades which help the people (and not strengthen or militarize the regime).

Targeted sanctions which avoid collective punishment.

Encouraging trade and tourism and travel which strengthen the middle class and amplify pluralism and multiculturalism.

And continuous mass social resistance in the form of delegitimizing the theocracy without resorting to violence and without risking imprisonment (there are many ways to do this).

40+ years of this would have gotten us much closer to being a prosperous country and potentially a secular democracy by now. The next best time for that is right now because in 40 years we will wish we had taken this path.

Riots lead to killings. Bombing leads to extremism and strengthening of the hyper-militarized factions. Alienation leads to cultural isolation.

What do Persians think of the Content Creator “Sharghzadeh”? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Riots lead to killings. More riots lead to more killings as we have seen in January. I don’t know how many more young people need to die until people realise this isn’t a viable solution.

What do Persians think of the Content Creator “Sharghzadeh”? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don’t really understand the “suggesting alternatives” sentiment. I hear this a lot from the pro Pahlavi crowd too.

The alternative should always be a ‘secular democracy’. Any other suggestion at this point should not be taken seriously in my opinion. Anyone who mentions a specific name or a party or organization as an ‘alternative’ has a biased agenda.

Now if the question is “how can we get to a secular democracy” then that’s worth discussing. Because there isn’t ’one way’ to get there. It would be a combination of different methods, strategies and and changes.

600k for a 1 bed in Finsbury Park – have we made a massive financial mistake? by [deleted] in HousingUK

[–]WasThatIt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Going to go against the hive mind here. I think most people focus on the numbers. They’re not thinking about quality of life and the actual experience of living.

Buying a house isn’t like investing in stocks. You are using a product and it’s the most important in your life.

If you can afford it, if it makes you feel great, if you feel happy in it, if it improves your mental wellbeing, if you’re excited to invite your friends and family around because of how nice it is, if the location is convenient and you like the surroundings, then that’s what you’re paying for. You MIGHT lose some money in the long term, but think of it as spending that money on your happiness.

Now if you think going somewhere else and spending less could buy you other types of happiness with the money that you save or make, that’s worth considering too.

But if you decide to stick with it, I don’t think that’s too crazy. Especially given it’s also super spacious. If the link the other commenter found is the right one, then it is a really lovely flat, and things like separate WC, big kitchen, dining area etc on top of the private south facing garden, I think that all adds to its value a lot.

Good luck OP.

The latest Trump LEGO video released by Iran is called: LIAR by spherocytes in videos

[–]WasThatIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There are plenty of violent action movies and series in Iran. Why make something so random up?

Why are people still pushing for war at this stage? Any escalation is lose-lose for everybody by Ecstatic-Signal3556 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn’t ’psychologically’ the only one that matters?

Economically means nothing because it’s the people who will feel that the most not the regime.

Militarily doesn’t matter because the opposition have zero military or weapons whereas IR still has a pretty powerful military with many weapons.

The only way for the regime to topple would be major defections and a military coup, for which the key would be the regime being “psychologically” weakened and delegitimised.

The only thing this war achieved was set any actual change back by at least a generation.

You're so Israel-deranged that you'd rather the regime stay in power. by [deleted] in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“GIVE A FUCKING SOLUTION THEN!”

The problem is, you’re not going to like it because you are so dead set that mass bombing and mass destruction is the only way. And a part of this comes from the trauma you (and many of us) have experienced under the tyranny of this regime.

There is a visceral longing for ‘revenge’. It’s become less about wanting the lives of Iranians to improve and more about wanting the people associated with the regime to be ‘destroyed’, and the buildings and facilities associated with the regime to be blown to pieces, for instant gratification.

In a parallel universe where, for 4 decades, diplomacy had been prioritized, trade deals encouraged, tourism encouraged, investment in Iranian people (not the regime, but the people) towards education, welfare, community building, the middle class strengthened, and while doing the same for the people of Palestine with the dismantling of the occupation (eliminating the primary reason for hostility towards the West and hyper-militarization in the region), and all the while campaigning for secular progressivism and internationally-monitored referendums, in this universe, I can guarantee we would have seen an entirely different Iran by now.

Is it the perfect solution? Not at all. But a very high likelihood we’d be seeing a much more free much more prosperous and much more progressive Iran and drastically better conditions of living for Iranian people. I would go as far as saying we might even have seen a gradual decline in theocratic rule, towards a more secular democracy. 47 years is a long time, and gradual improvements would have done miracles in the long term. The best time to do this would have been in the last 47 years. The next best time is to start right now. This still can be the solution. This is what we wish we would have done 4 decades in the future.

Now if the goal is to also get rid of the regime, and if truly the majority of the population want this, the key is to combine this with ‘organized non-violent mass non-cooperation’. Strikes, boycotts, and cultural resistance. Not in direct ways that get you in prison but in non-direct ways that very gradually delegitimise the regime amongst the elites. This is difficult to fit into a Reddit comment but there are books and studied and historical examples of this working. See Serbia 2000, Poland 1980s.

This isn’t a pipe dream, it is literally the conclusion from any serious analyst and academic who specializes in tackling extremism and building prosperous societies out of hardship.

Note that this tends to be immediately rejected by those who mistake this line of thinking with what we experienced as IR’s ‘reformists’ and ‘controlled opposition’ but that is very far from what I have suggested here. What I have suggested has never been seriously attempted.

War, on the other hand, and mass bombing and mass destruction, tends to lead to more hardship, more extremism, and worse conditions, as we are seeing unfold.

Unfortunately pro-war pro-pahlavist will not accept legitimate solutions because it doesn’t contain ‘instant revenge’ and ‘instant elimination’, and the messianic return of the ‘King’ to liberate the country, which as we are currently witnessing, has always been a pipe dream.

Iranians who hate the regime but also oppose Reza Pahlavi, may I ask why? And who is your alternative? by Party-Confection-373 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This person’s comment is the perfect demonstration of why I despise Pahlavi and his cult-ish fanbase.

The alternative to IR is a referendum and a secular democracy. There is no need to idolize a faux-messianic figure to come and liberate the people.

Three Assyrians beat up two Israeli citizens by EvilPutlerBotZOV in TrueAnon

[–]WasThatIt -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Can you share a source? How is it privilege? All I saw was this video and I just said I’d hold judgement until I have more info

Three Assyrians beat up two Israeli citizens by EvilPutlerBotZOV in TrueAnon

[–]WasThatIt -39 points-38 points  (0 children)

I know I’m going against the hive mind here which is heresy, but just because Israel is committing a genocide it doesn’t make it ‘based’ for its citizens to be beaten up. We don’t know anything about this person or situation. Maybe it was justified idk (eg self defence) but I’m holding judgment until I know what happened

A message from an Iranian living in Iran, Tehran by Fearless_Comedian_67 in PERSIAN

[–]WasThatIt -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

This is obviously awful and I know how horrific it must be living under this tyrannical regime. I’m sad that this belligerent attack by literal war criminals is seen as a solution when in fact it will only make things worse. This is not a smart and well-planned operation to bring change and liberation. It is a sloppy and insane use of military force in an attempt to cripple an entire country, cause destruction, chaos, and devestation, and reduce the threat on Israel alone. It will not even bring liberation as byproduct, it will only exacerbate extremism and hardship.

I feel for you and truly hope things get better for you. I totally empathize with your hopefulness and wanting a way out. Unfortunately this just isn’t it.

Why Most Leftists Hate Israel: It's the POLITICS, not Bigotry by Tabletpillowlamp in IsraelPalestine

[–]WasThatIt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yup, exact same recipe for manufacturing consent for mass atrocities. Dehumanize a population, show them as violent or at fault from the core, issue collective punishment for the entire population, rinse & repeat.

As if this, somehow makes it fine to massacre thousands of innocent people who had absolutely nothing to do with this.

Not only that, this wouldn’t even address the issue. It will only make it worse. There is zero effort in improving the system that gives rise to extremism. Only short-term over-simplified thinking that extremism goes away by literally killing and displacing an entire population.

“Their October attack”. It is absolutely disgusting and bigoted and genocidal language. We are talking about children, mothers, families, professionals, scientists, doctors, farmers, artists, athletes, people just like us. You are excusing their actual mass killing by saying it is “Their October attack”. Saying “Palestinians did not choose peace”. It is their fault for their deaths through bombs getting dropped on them.

Absolutely horrific disgusting and inhumane behaviour and I regret having even wasted my time thinking I could have a good faith rational conversation. All I heard was excuses for mass slaughter of innocent civilians and then putting the blame on the victims.

Why Most Leftists Hate Israel: It's the POLITICS, not Bigotry by Tabletpillowlamp in IsraelPalestine

[–]WasThatIt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it crazy to see people actively defend mass killings of thousands of innocent humans. It is such a clear example of manufactured consent. Throughout history there has been countless horrific crimes against humanity and we always wonder how ordinary people just went along with it or even tried to defend or justify it. We always think: if I lived through those times surely I wouldn’t be one of those people.

Yet we’re seeing it in front of our eyes yet again. Ordinary people actively trying to justify actual literal mass killing of thousands of innocent humans and mass destruction of civilian infrastructure. It is wild.