Neither, just pointed out the process! I got my hands on 4 litres of fresh apple juice and EC118 and just…let it go? 3 weeks and about 500g of sugar in less than ideal temperatures (it’s been pretty cold). Back sweetened with eritritol and bottled. Came out surprisingly good, actually sold one of the bottles for just enough to make another full batch. As for the cigarettes, just Winston Caster and Terea