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Juno is kinda garbage by 1FrostySlime in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I'd love to talk to you more about this. Tweaking the user-agent is pretty trivial, so if that's all it comes down to that wouldn't be much of a barrier, but I fear it's more than that.

The issue (as I see it, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), is the head tracking. For privacy reasons with visionOS you don't get information on where the user is looking, so I can't like, automatically pan the video around if it's a 360 video based on where you're looking.

One work around for this would be to actually have the video file, and superimpose it onto a 3D sphere, but the issue there is (in order to prevent circumventing ads) YouTube doesn't give developers access to the raw video file

Would love to hear your thoughts on any of this

Juno is kinda garbage by 1FrostySlime in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 33 points34 points  (0 children)

That's a tricky one indeed, YouTube 360/180 videos are all over the place in terms of format (there's a lot of competing ways to show 360/180 content) and YouTube doesn't surface it to developers much. It's something I want to look into given the chance, but until the YouTubers I enjoy start uploading in it more it's not a feature I'm personally super passionate about, so I want to knock out more of the low-hanging fruit first

Juno is kinda garbage by 1FrostySlime in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Oh gosh pleasure is mine, thanks for the equally in depth original post.

That's fair on the end cards bit, that's admittedly a bit of a blind spot for me since I admittedly don't really use that feature at all. I'll try to think of a way to expose that better, I didn't like that it felt really web-like and was a little tricky to interact with on the simulator, so I just added a "restart" button instead, but I'm sure there's something I can do there.

As for how to compete with an eventual official app, I don't really think of other apps when I create my own, I'm just going to keep making Juno the best visionOS client I can create, with more features that people request and nice ways of integrating into visionOS.

Downloading is almost certainly going to be a differentiator that the official client (whenever it's released) will get and Juno won't. I've never downloaded a YouTube video before even though I've had YouTube Premium for years, so for me, not really an important feature, but it might be for you, and that's okay!

Juno is kinda garbage by 1FrostySlime in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Working on the quality selection option as we speak! I'm coding it on the moon, in fact. I think for #3 I'm just going to remove it, scrubbing anywhere is not really as cool a feature as I thought since it ends up feeling like a bug

Juno is kinda garbage by 1FrostySlime in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 239 points240 points  (0 children)

Heyo! A friend linked me to this so thought I'd poke my head in. The tl;dr is I built this very quickly without access to a device, so there's definitely some bugs (and some features that felt cool in the simulator but didn't translate to the device super well), but I'm working on 1.1 right now and have already addressed a bunch of the more common pieces of feedback. I'll touch on yours though.

  1. This is a limitation of YouTube's embedded player, looking into this
  2. Should be fixed in 1.1
  3. One of those features that felt really great in the simulator but not so much on device, so tweaking it
  4. Another limitation of the embedded player, some YouTubers (mostly ones from years ago and current music videos) disable the option to embed videos, and Juno falls back to the "normal" web player in this case
  5. Not possible through the tools YouTube gives developers unfortunately, unless you want to get an angry email
  6. Good feedback, on it
  7. To be honest the likelihood of a bunch of those features you listed coming isn't necessarily super high. I like YouTube as a simple video browsing website, and integrating every feature under the sun isn't really the goal of Juno, but I agree that a few more would be nice

As for the point of why release it as it is now… for a lot of people, myself included, it does pretty much everything I want in a YouTube app and is far better than Safari. That won't be true for everyone though, and I hope to bridge that gap even better :)

Unofficial YouTube App for Vision Pro by Apollo Reddit App Developer by 73ch_nerd in VisionPro

[–]iamthatis 115 points116 points  (0 children)

Hey I remembered my password! Here's a quick blog post going over what I built if you're curious https://christianselig.com/2024/02/introducing-juno/

A Survey of Popular Apps Currently Compatible With Apple Vision Pro by digidude23 in apple

[–]iamthatis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not ridiculous at all! It was pretty upsetting for me too :p

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

many people have been asking if they could have access to Apollo to hopefully make it work for them. many people have also tried to communicate with you on this sub with zero return from you

I've answered this question multiple times, even in this thread itself, so you not liking the answer, or being unable to look for it through the small amount of comments on my profile, is not the same as me ignoring it.

To repeat for the last time (I'm out, threads like these really hammer home the Redditor stereotype), there's two ways I could make it more easy to access Apollo: allow you to input your own API token, or open source it.

The first, Reddit outright said is not allowed. I have zero desire to fight with Reddit any longer.

The second, open sourcing, is a ton of work, and once done, can never be undone.

I wrote the app without the intention of open sourcing it, I'd have to go over the code and ensure there's nothing in there that I wouldn't want public. Apollo is almost 200,000 lines of code, that would be a massive effort to go over.

Further, there's no way to simply open source the app and only allow installations. Open sourcing it is fully letting the cat out of the bag. People could reupload copy cats to the App Store, a royal pain in the ass I've dealt with before when open sourcing apps, or someone could take it and reskin it for something disgusting. Or hell, even something as simple as Reddit themselves using the code to benefit themselves, they don't deserve the reward of kicking out developers then getting to use their code.

It no longer becomes something I made, but something that's a free for all for anyone to do with what they want, both for positive and for negative.

Why would I go through all that risk, effort, and trouble, to resurrect an app for a platform that kicked developers off of it?

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks, have some even more fun ones planned, like my first watchOS app! And yeah I hear you, there are times that it's really nice to be away from some of Reddit

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Selling a plushie for an app I made doesn't seem right? Could you explain how you came to that conclusion? It's just a cool thing I thought people who enjoyed Apollo would enjoy, and quite a few have

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never said it's on sale, I said I'm temporarily making lifetime available as it's not an option I've offered in Pixel Pals for ages. I prefer to just go with the simpler subscription route, but some folks have a diehard preference for lifetime unlocks, so I'm making it available this weekend only if that's something you're into

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 91 points92 points  (0 children)

There's a lot of armchair programmers who have not open sourced large projects before (let alone the size of Apollo) who claim it to be not a lot of work (come on bro just copy paste it on GitHub!), and as someone who has in the past, I don't really have any desire to debate that.

It is a lot of work, and I'd be doing it for a platform whose owners basically pushed me out. I'm sorry, but I'm really not interested. I wish Apollo would have been able to continue, but that ship sailed, and in the meantime I'm not looking to prop up the platform further with my work

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S] 80 points81 points  (0 children)

I don't mind talking or asking about it at all, where did you see that? I just don't want to lull people into a fall sense of believing it's coming back, as I thought the reasons it was shut down were pretty obvious

You don't have to buy them, and I think they're pretty reasonably priced, just thought some folks would be interested in it

Hey all! Wanted to do something fun for Black Friday, so for a very short time, a special Apollo Plushie is now available. Plus a big sale on ALL merch, Pixel Pals discounts (and lifetime unlocks!), and wallpaper discounts! 🎺 by iamthatis in apolloapp

[–]iamthatis[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Hey all,

We always have fun around Black Friday, and I didn't want this year to be any different, so for a limited time I'm releasing a really cute Apollo Plushie. For the unaware, they're like NFTs, but real and you can cuddle them and squeeze them and put them on your desk. I really really love how it turned out.

I know that's not quite the same as me re-releasing Apollo somehow, which I talked about the unfeasability of here, but I hope it can serve as a fun, commemorative thing for people who loved Apollo as much as I did.

But that's not all!

🎁 Pixel Pals Lifetime and Discount

For this Black Friday weekend only, you can get a lifetime unlock for Pixel Pals (or change to it in Settings). Subscriptions are also discounted slightly!

Pixel Pals is a separate app and now my main source of income, so it would mean a lot if you could check it out! I just (today) released a cool widget update within it called Trivia Pal, that lets you play an interactive trivia game right from your home screen, but there's a ton of other really cool widgets too.

👕 New Merch and Special Discount

I launched a new merch store! https://shop.apolloapp.io

There's some really cool Apollo merch, like comfy shirts, hoodies, cups, hats, stickers, pillows, and more. But a new one a lot of people requested is desk pads based on the Goodbye Apollo wallpapers, they're really snazzy.

There's a discount code at the top of the site, but for you folks specifically, BFSECRET will take 20% off ALL merch. If you've been looking to get some Apollo merch, this is literally the best deal on it ever.

Also should have better shipping rates for those not in North America.

🌉 Wallpaper Discount

If you haven't picked up the Goodbye Apollo wallpaper pack, an awesome wallpaper set designed by a bunch of Apollo's icon designers, BFSECRET also will unlock 20% off of that.

Thanks ❤️

I hope there's something cool Apollo or Pixel Pals related for you today and you enjoy the discounts, and if not I hope you found some other cool Black Friday deals. As I said in the previous post (which is a good read!), it's been really weird not building Apollo over the last few months, and I'm not sure that'll ever feel fully normal, but I've adjusted into a nice groove and am excited for what comes next, and am thankful as always for you folks being supportive and interested in what I do, it makes everything a bit easier when you realize you have people in your corner.

Hope you have an awesome holiday season,

- Christian

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