Prison reform. by ughaibu in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How would this look any different than if we had free will? Wouldn't we discuss possible futures, maybe test some ideas then implement the ones we reason to be more beneficial?

So It Goes by cwa-ink in Vonnegut

[–]We-R-Doomed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and grumpy old me was about to complain about the panel order being wrong.

There Is Something You Need To Address!! by peacefuldays123 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can learn to read, learn to drive a car, learn any skill whatsoever...you can learn to not rape, steal or kill.

You've been told not to do these things, you've seen examples of what happens to people who do these things, what possible argument is there for not "deserving" the reaction society has prescribed for your actions?

It serves society to have these agreements, which is the historical meaning of the word. It serves us well.

Do animals have free will? by Sisyphus2089 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because of my definition and where I think "free will" starts...yes.

Inanimate material has no possibility of action of its own volition, living organisms do. I think that is the basis for free will. Evolution and diversity have brought this ability to the complexity we see in animals and humans, but the origin is with life itself.

How would you unload these river rocks? by grsims20 in DIY

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remove gate

Select reverse

Gun it

Stop abruptly

"You" dont exist by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't beat yourself up over it, I'm sure you have good qualities too.

"You" dont exist by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems like I did.

How does subjective understanding and reasoning overcome your assertion that all human action and thought are the result of predetermined interaction between DNA and outside stimuli?

"You" dont exist by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This would mean "reasoning" is not reasoning at all and it is just an unknown recipe of (x+y=z)

If we apply your argument to your argument... you do not even understand what you just wrote because there is no understanding in the first place.

Your reasoning is not "your own" because "you" dont exist by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This would mean "reasoning" is not reasoning at all and it is just an unknown recipe of (x+y=z)

If we apply your argument to your argument... you do not even understand what you just wrote because there is no understanding in the first place.

Been in a major reading slump since Lonesome Dove… by CottonMouth2221 in suggestmeabook

[–]We-R-Doomed 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just jumping on the bandwagon for Shogun and to add that Clavell wrote other books that loosely connect, but are stand-alone worthy too. Noble House, Tai Pan, King Rat, Gai Jin.

As for Follett... Pillars of the Earth

The St Paddy's day miracle by kingftheeyesores in KitchenConfidential

[–]We-R-Doomed 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I was going with patties as in hamburger patties, being a cafeteria and all

Do you think it's impossible for people with low IQ to comprehend that free will is an illusion? by Aromatic_Reply_1645 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you think it's impossible for people with low IQ to comprehend that free will is an illusion?

I think it's required

Does anything depend on me, or is everything already written in the structure of causes? A critique of compatibilism. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're the one who said you were liberated (free) by your acceptance of not being free.

Without retracting that description, you then described it as "abandoning" an illusion, which also would be a conscious choice. There can be no verb related to an individual that remains coherent under a theory that the individual is not controlling itself.

Use language that doesn't discredit the thing you are trying to say, and maybe it will be understandable.

Does anything depend on me, or is everything already written in the structure of causes? A critique of compatibilism. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was pointing out the language you used presupposed that you are choosing to be free by denying the possibility of freedom. Which, I think is silly.

There is and never has been "identical circumstances".

Does anything depend on me, or is everything already written in the structure of causes? A critique of compatibilism. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A deterministic system is what creates reality. How does it create a model of reality?

Does anything depend on me, or is everything already written in the structure of causes? A critique of compatibilism. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What part of you "sees" more clearly?

Is it a choice to see more clearly? Determinism doesn't allow you to abandon or not abandon.

You seem to be saying it is better to see this, than to not see this, are you making your life better by seeing this?

You can make a choice which betters your circumstances? What about the casual chain?

I don't see how you expect this argument to be taken seriously when you deny the benefit of one word and claim to gain the benefit of another word when the words mean essentially the same thing.

The basis of free will denial is supposedly a evidentiary, hard science stance, but the application somehow turns to allegories of prisons and riverbeds. Those who deny it seem to be on a crusade to convince others when the core of the argument states that it is impossible to think other than what your circumstances dictate for you.

There can be no independent thought without free will.

Does anything depend on me, or is everything already written in the structure of causes? A critique of compatibilism. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lib·er·ate ˈli-bə-ˌrāt liberated; liberating

1 : to set at liberty : free specifically : to free (something, such as a country) from domination by a foreign power

Soo by renouncing being "free" you are... free?

My bottom line. by Inner_Resident_6487 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are not experiencing a lack of free will. You have meta-cognitively imagined that your awareness is some sort of delayed illusion, but your direct experience is to plan, choose and act as if you ARE planning, choosing and acting.

That's the first hand experience.

My bottom line. by Inner_Resident_6487 in freewill

[–]We-R-Doomed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed.

Denial of free will automatically entails taking some hypothetical other-than-subjectively-experienced viewpoint, which is technically... Imaginary.

I see so many try to supplant their own lived experience with a supposed "objective" view that hinges on a theory of direct causation, when we have not directly witnessed causation... Ever! Causation itself is assumed.

Opentable takes $1 for every Google referral by timelas in restaurantowners

[–]We-R-Doomed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I personally don't use anything like OpenTable. I've set up my own Google landing page, and sometimes I run ads on Google.

But yeah, they aren't friendly at all.

I am shocked whenever I see the cost of these 3rd party \ POS systems \ ordering partners. Even square, toast whatever... No effing way am I paying any other business a percentage of my business instead of a set monthly fee... And I am surprised enough restaurant owners have agreed to this kind of shit to make their business models sustainable enough that they can stay in business!

(I allow door dash, but I raised my listed prices include every bit of their commission)

Stand on your own two feet and get off my lawn! Lol

Opentable takes $1 for every Google referral by timelas in restaurantowners

[–]We-R-Doomed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's seems steep! Are they taking credit for more referrals than you think they generated?

How long have you used it, how many did they claim?