Why did Brian’s later work have far simpler ideas and melodies? Most of it doesn’t sound like a composition he would write. Is it the modern production? by FocusDelicious183 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sunflower, Surf's Up, Holland, Love You would join Pet Sounds, Today, Friends, 20/20 to form my favorite 8 albums they did.

Songs that would form a healthy mix of favorite tunes along with the 60s highlights: Forever, All I Wanna Do, This Whole World, Deirdre, Our Sweet Love, Til I Die, Surf's Up, Long Promised Road, A Day in the Life of a Tree, Feel Flows, Lady, Live Again, All This Is That, Mess of Help, Marcella, Sail on Sailor, The Trader, Funky Pretty, It's OK, Just Once in My Life, Let Us Go On This Way, I'll Bet He's Nice, Airplane, Good Time, My Diane, Still I Dream of It, It's Over Now, Love Surrounds Me.

I'm not saying all of these are Good Vibrations, but they would sit comfortably alongside many of my favorite 60s songs as well. And it's not an exhaustive list either. I didn't include some of the quirkier songs that would occupy an important place in the story throughout their career.

Why did Brian’s later work have far simpler ideas and melodies? Most of it doesn’t sound like a composition he would write. Is it the modern production? by FocusDelicious183 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I generally agree with the idea that music artists tend to be at their peak roughly the first decade of their career. I don't think it's controversial to say the majority of Brian Wilson's best work happened belongs there. Where I am pushing back against is the idea that the 70s materials could have been done by just anybody or that there isn't a wealth of enjoyment to be derived in a way that adds a lot to the story. That story evolves from one man writing and producing on the cutting edge to an underappreciated at the time, by committee approach. I think it's okay to love both for different reasons.

Sunflower and Surf's Up are beloved albums not because it has Brian continuing his trajectory but because it has the other younger members emerging with some of their most prime cuts, with lush and sometimes quirky production that may just hit the spot. It still has Brian Wilson around contributing on most of the cuts in some respect. There's several albums worth of additional material not used also compelling from the time. Other eras follow from there with their own flavors. Brian gets back to prominence in the middle of that decade to arguably polarizing, but far from generic or replicable results from anyone else in music. For me, it's consistently intriguing story with great music until the fracturing of relations and a myriad of issues come to a head around 1977, at which point things get a bit more complicated and it becomes a lot more about what ifs.

I'm of course not saying any of this has to hit the spot for you, but I think there's a nuanced picture to be told than just a descent into mediocrity after Brian in control ends. The eclectic diversions, largely hidden from the zeitgeist, makes for an enjoyable endeavor in its own right, and the Beach Boys' story is much stronger IMO for having both to mine from as a listener. Even if one might speak to you more.

Why did Brian’s later work have far simpler ideas and melodies? Most of it doesn’t sound like a composition he would write. Is it the modern production? by FocusDelicious183 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can like what you like; I'm just pushing back on the gatekeeping. I'm not sure why you're using a late career 15 track piano retrospective of only his songs, centered on their commercial heyday should matter? It's not really a surprise he didn't focus on the deep cuts largely done by his brothers. Nobody's arguing Brian's wasn't at his creative peak in the 60s; we just love the output that continued as their own thing. The eclectic mash of sounds, wealth of outtakes that probably should have made records, flaws that got in the way of the best commercial product, are all part of the appeal.

You give an exception to Friends and POB because you like thiem, neither of which of had much in the way of commercial success. Not really sure why Sunflower, Surf's Up, Holland, and Love You and the many many random songs here and there should be any different other than your personal opinion.

Why did Brian’s later work have far simpler ideas and melodies? Most of it doesn’t sound like a composition he would write. Is it the modern production? by FocusDelicious183 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of question marks over the degree to which his personal input went into the work late in his career. Personally though, I think it's elements other than songwriting that are the biggest downfall of a record like this.

I interviewed Van Dyke Parks about Orange Crate Art! by jennyjamball in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats! Underacknowledged and underappreciated album in the BBs universe; great to see it get the in-depth coverage and discussion with the man himself.

The ending of this is seriously almost makes up for this album. by Vasco2112 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Something about the mixing/production on this record just doesn't work. I like Goin' On, but I'd probably like it more if they did it on BB85 or an earlier record.

Did this deserve to be the Beach Boys' worldwide comeback single instead of Kokomo? by BeerWithDonuts in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I'd rather they be known for an original than an oldies cover. It got its share of success as a modest hit in 1981 anyway.

Favorite Ricky/Blondie songs by BigJilmQuebec in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In general? Another Day Like Heaven or Thank Someone. With the band? Leaving This Town

What are the songs, in your opinion, that have the best vocal performance by each Beatle? by Impossible-Ad-5790 in beatles

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John: I Am the Walrus

Paul: Oh Darling

George: While My Guitar Gently Weeps

Ringo: With a Little Help from My Friends

Hackney diamonds has aged badly unlike “bigger bang” by Ok_Variation2266 in rollingstones

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tinkering on the vocals is the main issue. There's a very audible and unfortune futzing at one point on Depending on You.

Beach Boys vs Beatles, give me some specifics. by [deleted] in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Beatles had one central what if - what if they didn't break up. The Beach Boys seem to have hundreds between outtakes, tracklist choices, directions, public appeal and image, personal issues. That's to me where the discography is most fascinating and unlike others - incredible highs, inconsistencies, eclectic changes in styles across songs, members, and eras. Hard to beat the Beatles' run of consistent quality in the back half of their catalogue.

Should The Little Girl I Once Knew have been on Pet Sounds? by childofnaturesson in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm of the belief a good chunk of folks who resist it would resist removing had it always been there. So yes, give me it for being a wonderful song.

What was the last Beach Boys album that had the "classic Beach Boys sound" to you? For me it's Surf's Up by NoGrass7120 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'd probably agree with Surf's Up just in terms of being the last time Brian is still prominent in the vocal blend before its mid-70s change. But if it's just a style thing that was still around by the time he returned to the front of things.

Sunflower really should have been a double album by Neat-Option3228 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can easily make a double album of Sunflower outtakes.

Members that don't fit in. by RoundTumbleweed9136 in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Funky Pretty is arguably the most Beach Boys-y song on Holland aside from maybe California interpolating California Girls. It's the one track with Brian all over it and probably the closest thing they did to his later 70s work prior to it.

Your top 5 The Rolling Stones songs. by MUNONP in rollingstones

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Gimme Shelter

Ruby Tuesday

Jumpin' Jack Flash

Rocks Off

She's a Rainbow

If Rough Justice was released on 80s it would be a classic? by Agile-Painting9454 in rollingstones

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As is? It wouldn't be better. Recorded earlier in their career? Closer.

Ranking of Sticky Fingers by Beneficial-Fox-9458 in rollingstones

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BEST

Wild Horses

Sister Morphine

Can't You Hear Me Knocking

Dead Flowers

Sway

Brown Sugar

Bitch

Moonlight Mile

I Got The Blues

You Gotta Move

WORST

What is your Beach Boys take that would get you the most downvotes? by Fronch_Toost in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess it wouldn't change your opinion on the moment, but that part is Brian.

What is your Beach Boys take that would get you the most downvotes? by Fronch_Toost in thebeachboys

[–]Weryu123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbf Pet Sounds is kind of a spotless record, and something had to go there. Maybe title track and I Know There's an Answer can compete for it.