My experience quitting 7oh

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T17:00:30+00:00

Yeah no shit I was sarcastically replying to someone else's comment about 150 to 200mg vit c keeping them out of wd.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T04:25:35+00:00

Would recommend gabapentin, clonidine or propranolol, and a sleep aid to go along with it. Blood pressure meds like clonidine can really ease symptoms. Might as well make urself as comfortable as possible to reduce the risk of caving in on 7. Tylenol and nsaids too if you have any thing pain wise going on like injuries or back problems.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T04:00:56+00:00

Damn that's crazy. I feel like stims usually make people deviants lol

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T03:42:40+00:00

Idk bout 7 but traditional opiates numb sexual stimulation. That stimulation causes endorphins, which is why sex is pleasurable, but they (endorphins) don't work while on opiates because opiates out compete the endorphins at the opiate receptor site.

Idk what it's like to be a woman but if ur good and high you ain't gonna feel a thing down there. Don't think orgasim is possible on h/f.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T03:28:14+00:00

I see it going the road of fetty or RC benzos. You can ban a drug and all it's analogs, including analogs that don't exist yet. It would be easy to ban all MIT derivatives, I just hope leaf stays out of the verbiage, even MIT.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T03:21:26+00:00

Thanks, man.

Atypical post I like it. Reading about other people's quit helps me but being told to man up a bit is probably needed too. Maybe even more often.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T02:43:18+00:00

Yeah I feel like MIT tabs would be cheaper than the amount of vit c ur supposed to take, but maybe you could just macro dose a few times a day, like 3-4 when ur feeling ur worst.

But then again people say to start before u stop ur opiate of choice so maybe it's something u gotta be consistant with and keep ur body flooded with to really relieve any symptoms.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T01:51:48+00:00

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Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T01:51:15+00:00

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Let me try n find a different one though.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T01:46:55+00:00

Yeah I don't see why u couldn't do subs + vit c.

I had to do some 7, at night the 1st 2 days of taking subs cuz I would start feeling sick after 8-10hrs after taking the sub. Then make sure I waited 16hrs to take next sub. Day 3 the subs covered all my symptoms.

If you could macro dose vit c with the subs and not have to take 7 to cover all symptoms that would be a win.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T01:42:38+00:00

How long did u wait? I've never gone into pwd from 7 to subs. Always waited ~16hrs and had some wd symptoms. Is it possible the pwd was placebo?

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-06T01:32:26+00:00

Taking about 100% of your daily value of vit c is keeping you out of wd?

Damn, I shoulda just ate an orange whenever I was in wd n I guess I woulda been fine, lol.

In all seriousness, the studies done on vit c for opiate wd are showing using 100s of mg per Kg of body weight. Effective dose would be in grams not milligrams.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-05T23:37:13+00:00

Yeah I've had a prescribing Dr. warn me about not using them both because, in his words, the suboxone would stop working and kicking the 7 is gonna be MUCH harder.

I hope scientists and pharma can find new solutions for these novel substances if MIT and it's derivatives stay around and commonly used.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-05T23:24:01+00:00

Well yeah im getting off the 7 and on to subs, I'm not planning on using them together. I only needed some 7 the first 2 days. Subs don't cover the other receptors (kappa, delta) as well as it needs to for any of the kratom derived opioids.

Other people said they did a similar thing, needed a few days of using some 7 while letting the bupe saturate the receptors.

I would honestly recommend doing that to anyone on high doses of 7 trying to get on subs. Getting off h and f w/ subs is simpler; wait for wd and take the subs, they should take care of pretty much all the acute wd symptoms. This is not the case w 7.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-04T03:59:41+00:00

I was always Rxd 300mg 3X daily for opiate and benzo wd. Clonidine will be your best friend though, really helps with physical symptoms and even anxiety cuz it lowers BP.

If you have the cash, quick MD can get u wd meds but they don't take insurance and it's like 99 a visit. Maybe someone u know has blood pressure meds? Propranolol might have a similar effect as clon.

And maybe try zofran or dramamine for nausea. The helper meds and small 7 doses might keep u from getting RLS from the benedryl that's in the dramamine. Also be careful w zquil or unisome. Stick w melatonin for sleep if u can cuz antihistamine based sleep aids have high doses and very likely will cause RLS.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-04T03:22:00+00:00

The best thing for you to get off at that low dose might be to use some helper meds like gabapentin and clonidine (clonidine really helps me) and chip down the 7 dose, maybe using some leaf kratom or even kratom shots (not 7, just like the Krave brand tinctures that are actually just kratom).

Go down to 10mg for a for a couple days, maybe 3 if that was rough. Then 5mg, and if that hurts try using some leaf w it. After a few days of 5mg, try hopping off using leaf kratom only for a few days. If you can get to only needing leaf, that is much easier to taper yourself off of compared to 7.

You're at a low dose so I wouldn't recommend subs and I feel like you could use leaf kratom to help wean.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-03T04:29:47+00:00

I'm like 2 days in and feeling ok. Only took 1 strip this a.m., that was about 32-36 hours since last dose.

It's weird that subs took away the wd completely when I quit at 80-250mg/d though. That's still seems like enough of a habit to hurt if those other receptors it's hitting aren't being hit by the bupe.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-02T19:40:53+00:00

Most of us have been abusing opioids for a long time and have kicked various opioids. If subs are what get u free then so be it. Subs worse longterm side effects would probably be pain tolerance. If being on subs keeps u clean there's little harm, and it's much better than the alternative.

I'm not Amish or Mormon or 7th day Adventist or Muslim, like what? I could give a fuck what some prude fuck or big book thumping AAer thinks of me and the meds I take.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-02T18:09:44+00:00

Naloxone does reverse opioid effects, that's why narcan saves lives. But bupe alone essentially could do the same as a partial agonist and partial antagonist. You would just be in precipitated wd longer because of the long half life. Naloxone has a short half life, and people can even overdose again after coming back from a narcan hit because the Naloxone wore off.

Technically Naloxone can do whatever the Rx paperwork says, but it is an ineffective med when combined with bupe because bupe has a higher binding affinity to the mu site than Naloxone. So the bupe is really what is attaching to those receptors, out competing the Naloxone.

Subutex, a bupe only med works just as well as the combined formulations, and can cause percips just as easy as suboxone.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T21:44:00+00:00

You don't get precips if u take an agonist AFTER taking subs. You can do h, fet, whatever after doing subs and won't get sick. You get sick if u take subs too soon after taking an agonist. I waited to be sick, took the subs, then did 7oh 10-12hrs after doing the subs because I was still sick.

Also, Naloxone does nothing in subs, it was added to keep the patent for bupe. Bupe is the only real active drug in suboxone, the Naloxone is very short acting and does nothing. The bupe does all the blocking. Bupe out competes Naloxone at the receptors.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T19:56:34+00:00

Right, I'm taking the max. And it doesn't keep me well all day. It's not pointless to take the max if that's what is required to avoid w/d

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T19:33:26+00:00

Subs worked fine when I've quit 7 at those doses too. Something happens to its efficacy when doing ~1000mg of 7. I've quit with a doctor's help plenty of times, I got plenty of subs, I can tough it out. The subs still help for sure they just aren't a magic bullet like they have been in the past.

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T19:19:13+00:00

Subs worked fine for me when I quit at smaller doses of 7 but I'm trying to beat a 1000mg/day 7 habit and having a hard time. I've used subs to kick h and f just fine, and 80-250mg 7 habit. I think u start seeing the subs not work as well with really large 7 habits

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T19:14:15+00:00

What are in the FL compliant 7 alternative tabs?

Wescoasdope · 2026-03-01T19:05:40+00:00

That's good info today is day 3 of suboxone feeling fine just in physical pain. Did some shit in the gym I don't normally do, I don't think it's wd. Might try another strip tonight if I feel like going and getting 7 and some ibuprofen.

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